Episode Fifty-Six – Old Frequencies – New Uses
Carolyn McMakin, MA, DC Kim Pittis, LCSP, (PHYS), MT
0:46 – FSM in the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Germany 6:56 – Give the limbic amygdala a nap. Together with the hippocampus and thalamus 10:55 – 475, nerve sheath 14:15 – Networking at the FSM Advanced Seminar 22:49 – Thixotropy 26:06 – MagHealy 31:41 – Polarizing negative 42:55 – Treating the vagus 47:32 – Sleep and sleep apnea
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Dr. Carol:
Hi. I just have to remind you and everybody that according that when I travel like that, that my brain arrives three days after my body.
Kim Pittis:
Hey.
Dr. Carol:
So I'm on three-second satellite delay. It's 5:00 in the morning, or maybe four. I lost track.
Kim Pittis:
You look fantastic. So we have a good starting point.
Dr. Carol:
Makeup and stuff. Yeah. Hi.
Kim Pittis:
It was so scary while you were gone. There was so many responsibilities that I had, so I feel like I'm like, Okay, good. Carole's back.
Dr. Carol:
Welcome to my world.
Kim Pittis:
Yes.
Dr. Carol:
Yes. It's always fun to have a playmate in the sandbox. It is so much more fun. Although I have to say that in London we had 24 students at the Queen's Club. Too bad it was sad. I miss the Queen. She's one of my favorites. But we were at the Queen's Club, which is where they hold Wimbledon. It's like the tennis place in everywhere.
Dr. Carol:
We did a Core and then we had to cancel the master class. And we combined the Advanced with the master class because the country shut down on the Monday. So we did a two-day advanced and did a master class discussion problem-solving thing on the Sunday. And then I had two days off and then I went to Ireland. And we did a three-day Core Thursday, Friday, Saturday we did a three-day pain in injury, but they were for National Training Center students and they're neuromuscular therapists. That's what NTC does. So it was like training a whole class of combination physical therapists, manual osteo, osteopath as more than massage therapists, but right someplace. And they're used to following instructions. So when I said, do not move your hands, no scrubby circles, I had 20 what we have in Ireland, 20 some-odd students that all didn't move their hands, but their faces, they know what muscles should do.
Dr. Carol:
So when you explain that, when you run the frequency to quiet the accessory nerve, that only the upper trapezius is going to soften. And you say that and they like internally rolled their eyes during the lecture, but during the practicum. So now when we do a practicum for those of you that are coming to Chicago. Now, when we do a practicum, we do the supine cervical practicum. If there's three people per table, we do it three times in a row. So everybody has the same experience. And I don't do a demo. You don't have to with that one, right? Only the upper trapezius goes like disappears. And you see the look on their face. Like what? What? Just. And then only when you run torn and broken and the ligaments do just the lateral Sub-occipitals. Turned to pudding because the reason that the lateral Sub-occipitals are tight is to provide stability because the ligaments are asymmetrical. So when you run torn and broken in the ligament. The lateral Sub-occipitals say, Oh, thank God. I'll relax now. And to watch the look on their face was like it was so much fun. And for just that to the experience that you and I have of that's not possible.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
And then it happens.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. And then I went to Germany. It was really fun.
Kim Pittis:
I feel like this episode is going to be just a whole bunch of catch up of what both of us have been doing without each other for the past month.
Dr. Carol:
And every time you did a podcast, I got a notice of the podcast, but then it was 3:00 in the morning and it's, you know, not going to happen. Sorry. So would you do did you have fun?
Kim Pittis:
A Stressful as it was, I had a lot of fun. I'm sure the Q&A might have some differences of opinion, but I had a lot of really great feedback, actually, because here's the thing, you don't realize how all-encompassing your brain and skill set and knowledge and mileage is, because when you and I talk like we cover so many pieces of that of all different professions and capabilities and clinicians. And so to replicate that with guests is really tricky.
Dr. Carol:
So just to let you know, number one, if you do anything. 300,000 times. You make it look easy. You better be good at it, or you should find another job. So that's on me. And then the other thing is, because remember do you remember the speed dating? When you said, what's your superpower? That was a game-changer because it's the first time I've ever thought of it. And it was synthesis. So when I open my mouth, it's not just me, it's having listened to Roger Billica for seven years and reading the slides and Jim Oshman and Jay Shaw and Ben Katholi and Dave Burke and. And just. And you right? And yeah, so you synthesize all of that and there you go.
Kim Pittis:
And there you are. So I tried to synthesize. I had that word in message in my forebrain as I was planning out the guests each week, trying to check the boxes short of having a veterinarian on, I think I did an okay job. What it is we had. We had Dave Burke and Ben Katholi. The three of us were on together and that was I was worried we were going to break the internet because it was way too much fun.
Dr. Carol:
It was hilarious. I got a text message from Ben Katholi at some godly hour or something about give the limbic amygdala a nap, a muzzle, put a muzzle on the amygdala. That's no gift. The limbic system. And now, yes, it's not just the amygdala. The amygdala is one thing, but when you put it together with the hippocampus and then the thalamus and when you figure out that everything, every pathway into the brain from the spinal cord goes through the cerebellum, but it doesn't go just to the cerebellum, it goes to the thalamus, then it goes to the hippocampus. So the thalamus says, is this scary? And before it goes the sensory cortex, it goes instantaneously in a billionth of a second, it goes through the hippocampus. Did you ever feel this before? Was this scary or bad? And then the hippocampus, the amygdala was it scary? Is this is it scary? Was it awful? And the amygdala says, Yeah, was really awful. And the hippocampus says to the thalamus, Yeah, it was really awful. And then before it goes to the sensory cortex, it goes back to the cerebellum. And the thalamus says to the cerebellum, the amygdala and the hippocampus said, this was really scary and really awful and you shouldn't let it move. And then it goes to the sensory cortex that says, hey, you're about to move your right leg, but it's not going to do what you tell it to do. So don't worry about it. And all of that happens. Faster than electricity and synapses. Those are some of the conversations I had with Giuseppe Vitello in Neuruban at a symposium that was put on by TimeWaver, on? I can't even remember the name of it, and he is a quantum physicist. And it's like, Oh, and all, so. Tell that to Ben Katholi and Dave Burke.
Kim Pittis:
I will tell them anything. I just love talking to them. And they're so much fun. And we were laughing more than anything. So I apologize to the people that tuned in. There's 50 people that were on live. They got a whole bunch of we were dancing. We were pretending. We were like the Brady Bunch. It was just like it was a thing. But bringing those two on with their mileage and their stories is, I think, the important piece of it, because they're in the trenches with this modality in a clinical setting. And I feel like with them and their schedules and their credentials, if they can do it, it gives us hope for I get sidetracked sometimes having somebody for an hour and my practice has changed so much over the years that I am like Ben right now, where I truly enjoy spending time with one machine sometimes and one patient. And just because I have the luxury of just seeing one patient in that hour, asking the questions and listening to their stories and listening to the tissue. So I feel that I've really slowed down my approach because I can and I'm at the part of my practice where I really want to. I want to experiment. I want the frequencies to do more. And this is where I have a story to tell you about the frequency that I hated for years. But it's always been burning in the back of my brain that it is a relevant frequency, and I just have not been smart enough to figure out what to pair it with yet. But I think I'm on to something.
Kim Pittis:
475
Dr. Carol:
Oh nerve sheath.
Kim Pittis:
I've been in love with this frequency. I've been obsessed with this frequency since my first Advanced. I wanted it to do something.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah, me too. And I've never gotten it to do anything. So I'm really interested. In what? Because George made it up. This thing.
Kim Pittis:
He made it up for a reason. And I have to hold his vision in my heart because I think about. It's funny you say that, because I was thinking about George a ton when I was playing around with it. Now I know why.
Kim Pittis:
I think where we're at with frequencies, we're learning so much about the sequencing of them, right? Things are now more time-dependent. We have to run this before we run that or we have to go back to something. So I was always using nerve sheath in a way that it would be like adhered or stuck or scarred like a nerve would be. And it's not. It's the opposite. So when we start talking to like Ben and Dave and they're all about increasing the vitality and increasing the secretions and nerve trauma. I've been using those once. I have almost like how I do with the reestablishing neural connection and rebooting. I've been implementing it after afraid to move it and helping the cerebellum find the tissue by increasing the secretions to the nerve sheath with movement.
Dr. Carol:
Interesting. And see if I was going to think of the nerve sheath because I'm not there yet, I would think of it as the glial cells. Only thing in the glial cells are structural but are also immune modulated. So if I was going to do anything with the nerve sheath, I'd probably do 40.
Kim Pittis:
And that's what I was doing all the time.
Dr. Carol:
And it didn't work.
Kim Pittis:
Didn't do anything.
Dr. Carol:
So vitality.
Kim Pittis:
So I'm doing the opposite.
Dr. Carol:
Interesting. So yeah, I'll add it to the things I try because words you guys are going to one machine. I take what I think of as neurology and modulate that whole conversation. At one time. So I have a picture of six machines on one patient in London. And it was to quiet down. The hippocampus and the medulla and the thalamus all at one time, because you do 40/89 and then you do 40/92. Just forget everything, the hippocampus and the thalamus, and just forget everything they just told you. And then you quiet down the spinal cord sensitization, that's Jay Shah, speaking of which, Ben Katholi and Dave Burke and Jay Shah are all going to be at the Advanced in February.
Kim Pittis:
I don't know how you're going to do this.
Dr. Carol:
I don't either, but I'm so excited because now that my brain is back, I'll have the schedule done by Friday because things have been a little. Preoccupying since April here. Anyway, so they all know they're coming. And the best bait to get Burke here is to tell him that Katholi is coming. And the best bait for Catholics is to tell him Burke is coming. And the best bait for Jay Shaw is just to ask him to come and do 6-hours worth of lecture in 90 minutes. It's okay.
Kim Pittis:
And for those of you who have not seen a Jay Shah lecture in person, it's the most fun you can have. His slides are fantastic. His lecture style is so smooth for such complex topics. You walk out of there thinking, Finally, I've got this neurology thing. He's amazing. Yeah, that's fantastic. And the bait for everybody else is just those three headliners that you just said. So I guess we're going to see everybody in Phoenix in February.
Dr. Carol:
And the thing I learned in Germany, because we were working with the MagHealy and the Healy group was they do a better job of celebrating and team building and acknowledgment. So for everybody that hears this, either in person or on YouTube, we're going to celebrate at the Advanced and we're going to acknowledge the people that have been with FSM the most and of the most seminars been doing this longest, and because it's an Advanced that includes case reports. Practitioners have the opportunity to share their stories with each other, and we have lunch and dinner together, so I'm pretty excited about all that.
Kim Pittis:
Me too. And I understand people would like to still maybe are isolating and like to do things live stream and whatever, but there is something so special about the boat being present at the Advanced being there. It is really indescribable. It's the most special meeting I have ever been to and I think a lot of people feel it. That's why you have so many repeat offenders that come year after year.
Dr. Carol:
It's a family reunion. It's the one place you go in the whole year. You may do a lot of continuing ED through the year, but it's the one place you go in the year where you can talk to people that understand what you do, what you know. And this is integrated so at one table we have, thanks to Candice Elliot, we have special interest groups. So a table of people that deal with PTSD. And you can have an acupuncturist, a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a neurologist, a GP, a D.O. and a chiropractor and an acupuncturist all sitting at the same table talking about the same thing and creating a, I don't know, a synthesis.
Kim Pittis:
The relationships that you build, the bond that you share with the fellow FSM practitioner. It doesn't even have to be the same profession as you. I know a lot of times we go to the continuing education seminars and for the most part we're all the same profession. If you go to a PT, everybody's a PT, everybody's a trainer, everybody's a dentist. But this is so unique because you have so many different practitioners from so many walks of life. And going through the list of people that I had on for the month, these were the people that I bonded with at these seminars. And they are they've become some of the closest friends, even though I haven't known them as long as I've known many of my friends. I have this very deep and profound connection with some of these practitioners. I mean that aside from all the miraculous things we do for patients. The relationships that you feel like. Jennifer Sosnowski we had her on and Jan talks, Oh my God, that's like drinking. That's like drinking water from a firehose is sitting down with Jen. I loved Jen. The minute I met her at one of the Advanced. I'm like, You and I are going to be friends right now. And we instantly bonded. And she talked all functional medicine stuff that I didn't understand. And I talked all physical medicine stuff that she was like, What are you talking about? And even to this day, like I, I can instantly text your question. She will instantly text me back with amazing advice. And there's something to be said for that. And I don't know how to explain this.
Dr. Carol:
Oh, it's there's no doubt that you and I and she know each other because does she tell you how she…
Kim Pittis:
She did. When I had asked her to introduce herself, she gave a little synopsis of how she met you. So many practitioners come to meet you with a little bit of skepticism, but sometimes with their own pain that they can't. But the headaches that she was talking about, the migraines she was she talked about how close it came to not being very good for Jen.
Dr. Carol:
And she talked about them. I think I even treated her when it wasn't during a break. It was like after the session or something. It was some time where and she was telling me about these headaches and I said, Come here, lay down. And she went, What? Just never mind. And it was two treatments, I think it was. She just had C-2 neuritis and Sub-occipital trigger points from an auto accident. So it was ligaments. It's the supine cervical practicum saved her life. And it's why she has a child.
Kim Pittis:
No. And once that happens to you, once you do that for a patient is one thing. But once that happens to you as a patient, as a person, especially as a medically trained doctor, you can't unsee that. You can't undo that. So. Triple blinded, peer reviewed study later. It doesn't matter because you know it. And it's like those practitioners you talked about in Ireland, those students. I love having the manual therapists in their room because that was my experience. I knew what it would take to get a muscle to let go and having experienced it turned to putting within seconds isn't possible.
Kim Pittis:
It's not possible.
Dr. Carol:
And we do it. And it's not only is it possible, it's predictable, it's reproducible. And when you look at. What we do. We treat why the muscle is doing what it's doing right. We don't treat. So these are neuromuscular therapists. And we get to the end of this practicum. And then I say the thing, which is you notice we have not done anything for the muscle. We have treated why the muscle is tight. And then there's the look.
Kim Pittis:
Yes.
Dr. Carol:
And then for those of you who think it should still be the fascia, let's just treat. Calcium influx into the fascia. What is fascia do? It becomes hard. So we do hardening in the fascia. And then you ask everyone of 24 people. Did that do anything? And they all looked up and went, No. And then you change 91 hardening to increase secretions in the fascia. And just when you thought the fascia couldn't get any softer, it gets softer. What? It's just so fun.
Kim Pittis:
I'm right there with you, too with the fascia. I took the most amazing course while you were gone in all my spare time. It was on muscle spindles and GTOs and all the things that I geek out about. And the video they showed of the neuro or the musculo-tendonis junction and the fascia that was around the tendon as it was sliding. I had to catch myself because I was live on Zoom and I was going closer and closer to the screen in my mouth was opening and then I caught myself. I was like, Oops, sorry, because it was just amazing. But and I'm going to have to splice it into the sports course because it gave such a close up view of what the fascia looks like as a water and the movement. And there is a term for the softening of tissue. Thixotropy. And that's what we do with. It's in the sports piece. Thixotropy. T-H-I-X-O-tropy. I have to look it up now. That sounds funny.
There's a medical term for smush?
It is. There's a medical term for smush. I want to look it up right now. It's like jello. Jell-O goes from liquid, it gets cold. What happens to Jell-O? It firms up. You take that Jell-O, you heat it up, what happens? It turns to liquid again. That's what fascia can do. So there's a medical term when that fascia does that, thixotropy. Pretty sure that's it. So the video that we looked at, we always talk about make sure the patient is hydrated. But you can see when you have hydrated tissue, how it can move up close. And I was right there seeing how we are affecting the tissue with FSM in that way. It was amazing. So I'm going to put those videos. Because they're public video, so I'm going to make it public somehow and have everybody see it.
Dr. Carol:
Okay. Can we also suggest that might be the topic since we are no longer going to have a physical medicine and a visceral medicine track? I had to promise you that last time so you can explain to people how that thixotrophy.
Kim Pittis:
I just looked at that to make sure, because sometimes when you write a word and it says it's wrong. Thixotrophy the property of becoming less viscous when subjected to an applied stress shown, for example, some gels become temporary fluid when shaken or stirred.
Dr. Carol:
And who was it? Katherine just posted the same thing. So those of us that are really visual can see it. Yes. Or can certain wear gels whereby they become fluids when agitated or sounds interesting.
Kim Pittis:
And it came when I wrote the sports advance course, I was gathering some data with scarring and tissue and collagen and all this stuff. And I read a study about fascia and it said it had thicksotropic changes. And I was like, so quick Google. And I'm just like, Ooh, that's a medical term for Smush. That's it. Yeah. Do we have questions already?
Dr. Carol:
This is a question about Germany. What does the MagHealy do that's different from just FSM? MagHealey has three other applications. One they use it in water. The first three are Nuno Nina frequencies and frequencies from other databases. The Russians have been using frequencies since the forties, medically. The MagHealy is a non-medical device. I actually had to write my presentation for Sunday at this conference was what is the bio…? Now I can't remember it. Electromagnetic. Why would you want to harmonize the bioelectric field? What does Harmony mean? Therefore, what is disharmony? Because it's an over-the-counter device for patients without medical supervision. Sold by people who are not necessarily medical provider. So it has no medical uses, but there's the McMakin portion, which is FSM and I had to give them 24 and then we added another four. So there's more that are going to be added. I just have to make sure they're okay to be used for non-medical uses.
Dr. Carol:
So what is the bio-electric field? And what is harmonized mean? And to create a lecture that explains what FSM does and leaves out all of our scientific data and creates a lecture that is basically quantum physics and philosophy. Where they meet on the hill. And this was my conversation with Vitiello at lunch was in quantum physics he's convinced that FSM works because of water. Oh, and Jerry Pollack is coming back for the Symposium.
Kim Pittis:
Yay!
Dr. Carol:
I'm so excited. And so is Jim Oshman. So we're going to have another geek fest of the best. And Angelina Mortenson. I invited everybody. Now I have to figure out how to schedule the best minds in biophysics in the world.
Kim Pittis:
It's going to be like a 5 a.m. start to midnight.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah, like, I could do that. So we're just going to impose… And case reports. So that's Saturday and Sunday. The Advanced is Friday and Saturday. And did I mention that I completely rewrote the Advanced for the U.K.? You did? I did. That actually happened. Anyway. Where was I? Oh, that's what the MagHealy is. The McMakin section of the MagHealy. And it's a POC. It's in my suitcase still. I didn't unpack it yet. And it's straight up two-channel Microcurrent device with 25 FSM protocols and we had to name them something, harmony. Or harmonizing something. Because you can't have anything medical. So you can't talk about pain, you can't talk about much of anything. And that's because we are now big enough that we are on the regulatory watch. They're watching us. And so we have to be very careful what we say about it. It's really fun. It was the coolest because when you think about what FSM does actually with tissues, I can talk about cell signaling in a medical environment and talk about what cells do and how the frequencies affect cell signaling and what the cell does in response to its environment, to a medical audience and you all know what I'm talking about. It was really fun. Katherine I hope that answered your question. And everybody says you did great. There we go.
Kim Pittis:
They have to say that. Come on. And Julian has that question on the Q&A. That might be a good time to throw that in now.
Dr. Carol:
Wait, what book did did Dave Burke received from Ben Katholi?
Kim Pittis:
What? Oh, it was energy, not energy medicine. I think it was Neil Nathan. We talked about so many books, it could have been Neil Nathan Energy Diagnosis. I think that could have been. I have it. I think that's what we could have been talking about. Energetic. Energetic Diagnosis by Neil Nathan. I think that's what we were talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's a good one. Yes. We needed 2 hours. Yes, thanks Leif. Okay. So Julianne's question says we were taught not to polarize Negative. But is alternating current the same as polarized negative half the time? And is that fine? Likewise, if connecting the lead and correctly running green on the feet and walking yellow on the neck? Will that had the same effect as polarized negative?
Dr. Carol:
No, because when you polarize the current positive, this I got from George, what happens is it's an electronics it's a thing known an oscilloscope that you have a square wave that goes positive and then negative. Basically the negative portion of the waveform is just cut off. So you go polarized, positive square wave up. Then there's a space. And then there's another blip and then another blip and a space and a blip and a space and a blip.
Dr. Carol:
So basically, instead of a regular positive negative alternating flow, and that means the electrons move this way and then that way and then this way and then that way. So what goes on in an oscilloscope goes above and below the zero line. That's current flow. And the short version is that the electrons move this way and then that way, and then this way and then that way. And the circuitry inside the machine makes it look like a square wave. When you pull out a positive, it's a blip in a space and a blip in a space.
Dr. Carol:
There's some ideas about when you run continuous current the tissue gets used to it. Ignores it. Because it's, Oh, yeah, it's electrons, whatever. And every class we do now there's polarize it positive. And you then have it alternating and then you switch it to positive. And in every class, it's now pretty much 50/50. How many patients go smush more with polarized positive? And half of the, I'm thinking of Ireland right now. Half of the people, nod their head or raise their hand and half of the patients prefer alternating. And it was Christine Allcroft who used polarize negative. So polarized positive current, all of you physical therapists and people that use electrical stem and have been trained in that, know that polarized positive sedates a nerve and polarized negative activates it. And Christine was trying to treat spinal muscular atrophy, which is a genetic condition that is impossible. There is no gene to do what she did. And she uses Solfeggio frequencies for repairing DNA and accidentally polarized it negative and a worked better. And it's…excuse me. But all that means is the electrons moved that way instead of that way. And there was a space. So you polarized it. It's a blip in a space and a blip and a space. And when I'm really sorry for everybody that's not electrical, but the electrons, the current goes this way and the electrons go that way. That is too painful to think about.
Dr. Carol:
So don't even go there. Okay? So it's a blip in a space and a blip in a space. Going this way is positive, and it's a blip in a space polarized negative. It goes the other way. So one. Yeah. And that's the polarized negative now for the red and green and the black and yellow, as long as long as it was. So there was a period of time, almost five years, when we had the gray leads way back in the prehistoric era. The yolk was labeled incorrectly. The black and yellow had a little plus next to it on the red and green had little minuses under them. And that's when. But we still polarized to positive. So it really didn't matter because the electrons still went that way. But when I teach it, I have to teach red and green, black and yellow. Because people really can't deal with, it doesn't matter. You need grammar and sentences in so that you have a feeling that you're doing it right. You guys are out there? Is that all right? There we go. Oh, there we go. See Lee Hollow ulnar neuropathy condition with negative polarity. Oh, right. Back in regular Microcurrent in 1989. See? Isn't that cool?
Kim Pittis:
When I was writing the whole wipe and load part, when I was really fooling around with trying to coordinate and increase the drive to nerve, the PT at the clinic gave me that. She's like, why don't you try it negative? I'm like, Oh, I can't. And then I'm like, But I will and I will try. And it didn't do anything different. No, but.
Dr. Carol:
Minette just said it's going to become a three day symposium. And if it's like there's only so much time that people can take out of their practices, I worry about that. Makes it five days if we do two. If I can keep the advance to two days and we can do a three day symposium, we can do it this year. Once you the scope Leif.
Kim Pittis:
And then Leif asks does polarized negative leads to muscle growth. No, no, I have tried that with so many athletes and no.
Dr. Carol:
And in spinal muscular atrophy, it only worked better because it does whatever the opposite of sedating a nerve is. And in spinal muscular atrophy, you're treating the spinal cord, not the muscle. And spinal cord is unable to produce an enzyme neurotransmitter, and that makes muscles work.
Kim Pittis:
And to geek out a little bit on the training side, muscle growth has so many factors aside from just neural drive. So a muscle hypertrophy is, yes, initially you need the action potential to stimulate the muscle, but that hypertrophic change, the actual tearing and rebuilding is based on so many factors genetics, nutrition, how fast it rebuilds.
Kim Pittis:
Speaking of rebuilding, everybody's going to freak out. I started the FSM Sports Game Changers podcast In all my spare time. I'm interviewing these trainers and it's not FSM based, but as we know, FSM is.
Dr. Carol:
Oh, sure, Internet is glitchy.
Kim Pittis:
Pieces of information to. It's a primarily physical medicine based group. I'm going to do that. So I had Dr. Charlie WeinWeingroff on.
Dr. Carol:
Whose.
Kim Pittis:
Charlies I had, and I was able to nail down the John Paul Catanzaro. The exercise physiologist that coined METH. He is the brilliant mind who is doing all the heat. And you heard me talk about all this. METH, Movement, Elevation, Traction and Heat. So he he was on the podcast. So anybody wants to listen to that and all the. We're using heat. You can't dispute the data on how horrible ice can be and in certain settings. So going back to those hypertrophic changes, why it makes sense why athletes love FSM because they're getting away from the ice baths. They're getting away from the vasoconstriction. You need vasodilation, you need those macrophages to come in and clean everything up and take it into circulation. And that's what FSM is promoting. So as he's talking to me about using the heat and having these explosions in my brain because.
Dr. Carol:
Blood vessels, the frequency for the blood vessels is the same as treating is the same for the muscle 62. Duh.
Kim Pittis:
Yes, and that is why. That is why it works. So it is so cool when you actually figure out why something works. So it's a phenomenal podcast. I ask everybody to go to FSM Sports Game Changers on podcast or YouTube. It's episode, I think three or four. John Paul Catanzaro. All of his data is on his website, but it really helps. And he even talks about how using heat is amplified by using Microcurrent. And he does. He's not a Microcurrent person. And then we talked after and he was like, Oh, you're actually doing that because you're using the hot, wet towels and FSM.
Dr. Carol:
Wet towels get cold, but we'll have to. Can you imagine what will happen when he starts using FSM like DOMS and we're treating the blood vessel, the fascia and the torn and broken and the tendon.
Kim Pittis:
Yes.
Dr. Carol:
To speed up repair?
Kim Pittis:
Yes.
Dr. Carol:
Did you lay that on him?
Kim Pittis:
Of course I did.
Dr. Carol:
Of course you did. Of course I'm.
Kim Pittis:
As we're going down the slippery slope right now, I have to interject with a thought, because when I was talking to Dave Burke in Ben Katholi, we were talking about I can't remember how we got onto this topic, but it was that moment where we talked that diaphragm and cerebellum are the same frequency. And that was my face. What's up with that? And then Ben, as only Ben Katholi can do, said, Of course it is because breathing and movement need to be together. They need to be the same. They work together. That's what I said. And I have this like, I'm like, you're just like this poetic, stoic explanation of of course, diaphragm and cerebellum are the same frequency. Why wouldn't they? I'm like, I knew that.
Dr. Carol:
And the look on people's face when I talk about why you cough when you get a crumb of cornbread in your pharynx. So see, three, four and five.
Kim Pittis:
Keep the diaphragm alive.
Dr. Carol:
Keeps the diaphragm alive. Everybody learned that right? And there's a nucleus for that in the spinal cord. And so there's here's my three fingers and there's C-3-4-5. And there's a nucleus in the spinal cord for the vagus nerve sensory fibers in the pharynx that make a nucleus in the spinal cord between the Vagus and C-3-4-5. So the sensory fibers of the Vagus stimulate C-3-4-5 to fire directly to the diaphragm so that you cough before the message from the spinal cord even gets to your sensory and motor cortex that says, Hey, I have a crumb in my pharynx. Being aware of the crumb in your pharynx is not important. Coughing in the spinal cord. That's important. That just. Once you see the Vagus, you can't ever unsee it.
Kim Pittis:
No, that is true. And it makes me want to just go back and call everybody before I knew how to treat the Vagus they all need to fly to California and see me again.
Dr. Carol:
Really? Sorry. It's like I want to call everybody that I saw between 1997 and 2000. Eight. And say, Really sorry, you should come back. Because I could fix that now, because you have to turn on the Vagus so you can turn down the immune system so your back panel will get better. Excuse me?
Kim Pittis:
I know. And that is such a concept when you throw out to somebody and they're just like…
Dr. Carol:
What do you mean? Was I molested, abused, or did I have an accident or surgery prior to the age of seven? Right. What's that got to do with my low back pain and why I heal with inflammatory changes instead of heal normally? So you talk to an audience about how the patients x-rays are horrible and they have no pain. Yeah. And you know how the patients x-rays are crummy looking, but not as bad as this other guy.
Kim Pittis:
Right.
Dr. Carol:
And a little arthritis in their neck or lower back. But they have horrible pain. No pain that worse X-rays. Lots of pain. What's the difference? In the Journal of the Spine it says the difference is whether you heal with inflammatory changes or whether you heal without inflammation, what's in charge of that? The Vagus. Oh. Okay. So every study that I saw between 1998 and 2018 actually, you should come back.
Kim Pittis:
What do you think? What are we seeing as far as how long results are lasting when we're treating the Vagus for things that are?
Dr. Carol:
It depends on what's turning it off.
Kim Pittis:
I knew you were going to say that.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. The Vagus is turned off by infection, stress and trauma. So what is their living situation? How much stress are they under? Are they an M.D. that works in the emergency room, The O.R., Interventional cardiology. Certain medical specialties. Are they an athlete? Are they a police officer? Are they a news aholic? Are they on social media All the time? What's their life? How stressful is that? Infection?
Dr. Carol:
I treat my Vagus every night because I have still a pocket in the back part of my sinus at the very bottom where no drugs can get to it. I have a pocket of infection left over from my mold infection and my jaw infection. So it's right there on the right hand side. And the Vagus is turned off by infection, stress and trauma. So I have stress and I have infection. There we go. So I treated every single night. How long does it last? I don't know. I do pretty well most of the day. I'm an N of one. But you look at patients, infection, stress and trauma.
Kim Pittis:
Right.
Dr. Carol:
So athletes. Every night. Turn it on. Why not? Because it's going to stay on. But because when they sleep is a time when the Vagus digestion is quiet.
Dr. Carol:
What is the Vagus do at night while you're asleep? It's not doing much with an effect, with digestion. So it's a good time to have a conversation between the Vagus and the immune system. Nobody else to talk to. Your heart's beating. Yes. I keep your heart rate nice and slow. So the Vagus is active during the night. The Vagus controls the immune system, quiets the immune system, quiets blood sugar. That would be a good thing to do at night. You're not eating. You don't need glycogen assuming you don't have sleep apnea. That's the other reason that treating sleep apnea is so important. So having that discussion.
Dr. Carol:
I did this whole presentation on fatigue. The number one cause of fatigue is sleep deprivation. And we asked people about everything else except sleep. And we test for everything else except sleep apnea. And so the first purchase I made besides treatment tables and walls in the clinic was a watch pad. So I could test for sleep apnea at home. So that's how long is it going to last? It depends. It's like everything else. So we had this chronic fatigue. Fibromyalgia patient in London and I and she was in 81 and ten. So she had a lot of muscle tendon pain because of loss of descending inhibition. I treated her three nights in a row. And when she got home. She had a terrible time with. Maintaining the results. She went from a seven incoming to a two for three days in a row. And then something happened when she got home. Not sure what that is anyway. Did I mention My brain is on 3 seconds satellite delay.
Kim Pittis:
And you can be with all the travel. I keep getting these messages. My internet is unstable and I'm hard lined in, so I'm not sure what's going on. So if I am glitchy or whatever, I apologize. I almost made it for the full hour. So if I glitch out now and I end with 2 minutes to go, then you're going to lose me.
Dr. Carol:
It was before in the middle. There's some something in your house or your neighborhood that's using upload speed because every now and then you just. Yeah, every now and then you just freeze. But you look adorable, so you always freeze in very flattering postures.
Kim Pittis:
That's a good thing. And Kevin is the master editor, so I'm sure he can edit anything that is not flattering. I want to make sure that we have all the questions and chat things I think were good with the chat questions. I think they were just little comments from Leif Leif asked Why not 160 sinus?
Dr. Carol:
Because it's mold. And 160 is pathologic virus. And it wasn't viral. It was an anaerobic infection. And we have frequencies for staff and strep. I could try parasites because I had Entamoeba histolytica. I had a parasite. What do you call that little? An amoebic parasite in my jaw. And so we could try other things. But I still don't think the frequencies are high enough to kill a biological organism. But the frequencies that kill organisms are all in 100,000. It takes two frequencies simultaneously at over a 100,000 hertz to kill or explode a biologic organism. FSM is below 1000 hertz, and that's why I think that what our frequencies do is change signaling. So my vagal tone protocol has the mold and parasites, I should add parasites. That's a good idea. Thanks Leif. Do you use the disposable WatchPat? No, I. All of my patients are local, and so I have the permanent one because they see me. Usually most of them come for a whole week and I do the sleep stuff. It's. You ask the sleep apnea differential questions in the original history. And there are clues. So they go home for a sleep study the first night, and I have the report back the next morning, and then I have the medical prescription back two days later from Watch Pat. So I have an MD sleep specialist, read the report. She writes the prescription. And then in a perfect world, they leave with having taken that prescription to one 800 CPAP, they buy a CPAP and a basic mask from that company with that prescription. On their last visit, they leave with a CPAP. That is a fatal condition. No, we don't treat sleep apnea.
Kim Pittis:
With my alarms buzzing that our hour is up and my Internet is still glitching and I need to race back to the clinic. So this is never long enough. Yes, it's it's really busy right now. And I'm sorry for all the new patients trying to book in your. My waitlist is nothing compared to yours, but it's as busy as it's ever been right now.
Dr. Carol:
Oh, no. A waitlist. That's when I was in the clinic and on Division II. My waitlist was three months. I thought that was bad.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
I guess it's still three months because I'm booking patients in new patients in January.
Kim Pittis:
I'm in December right now. But it's.
Say again.
Kevin:
Susan was asking me if you were available in April, so she's trying to book you out that far.
Dr. Carol:
Get you out. Oh, Susan was asking if I was available in April. That I would be okay. I'm going to Poland in March. Okay.
Kim Pittis:
Bye, everybody. We will see you all next week and we'll catch up even more then.
Kevin:
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