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[00:00:30] Welcome to episode 30 of the liberated body podcast. This is Brooke Thomas. And today I’m talking with dr. Carolyn mcmakin, who is the leading Authority on frequency specific microcurrent, otherwise known as FSM she maintains a clinical practice and participates in research and teaches seminars on the use of FSM in the US and internationally. She is an expert on the subjects of fibromyalgia and chronic pain syndromes and has lectured on these topics at the national.

[00:01:00] Toots of health and at numerous other conferences and her textbook frequency specific microcurrent in pain management was recently published by elsevier. So many moons ago actually trained with dr. Mcmakin and FSM and I worked in a holistic pain management practice and Napa California as their FSM Tech and eyewitness kind of crazy Miracles, especially in regards to neuropathy shingles and five.

[00:01:29] Bro, myalgia, and those of you who are in practice know that the reason why that really stuck with me is that these are things that are particularly treatment-resistant and so it was pretty amazing to see those things get better so rapidly, so I was really blown away and then as now it brought up all kinds of questions for me about our bodies as electromagnetic systems, so she and I get into that and how FSM works, of course.

[00:02:00] We talked a bit about the history of electromagnetic medicine, which is pretty interesting and we get into a really intriguing research study on reducing inflammation using FSM that had such dramatic results that it put the lab on lockdown for a while actually to sort out what the problem was kind of interesting and the effect of FSM on shingles and Carolyn also shares a lot of her knowledge about fibromyalgia, which is brilliant for teasing out several different causes of Fire.

[00:02:29] Bro, myalgia, and the problem with fibromyalgia always being dumped into the same kind of basket when really as you’ll hear it can Emergen emerge from several different roads, even though it winds up all looking like fibromyalgia at the end. I think that’s hugely important because this is still a poorly understood condition particularly in medical communities. So she has a lot of wisdom to share on that. So there’s a wealth of knowledge coming up from our perspective.

[00:03:00] Is a little atypical from what we normally inquire about here at liberated body. And before we get into it this isn’t medical advice. So don’t use it that way and just a brief announcement that next week. There will not be a liberated Tuesday. I will miss you all very much, but I will be taking the week off to celebrate the holidays with my family and also to kick off the next liberated body 30 day challenge for the month of January, but do not fear. It’s just a one-week Hiatus. I’ve lots of amazing interviews queued up for when I get back.

[00:03:30] And as to the 30-day challenge on liberated body, I’ll get into that just a little bit more at the end of the episode. And if you’re curious, of course, you can always find it on liberated But the nutshell version is that if you wanted to kick off your New Year doing what is essentially a movement cleanse with a group of super fun body nerds the 30 day challenge is where it’s at. So it also won’t run again until April so grab the January challenge if you wanted in on that.

[00:03:57] And that’s it for announcements without further Ado here is Carolyn. So thank you so much Carolyn for talking with all of us today. Glad to be here. Thanks for having me. So why don’t we start by by describing or having you describe what frequency specific microcurrent is frequency specific microcurrent is really just what it sounds like. It’s micro amperes current that’s delivered with a machine that allows you to have a frequency.

[00:04:26] On each of two channels and those frequencies intersect in the patient’s tissue and they change the way cells and tissues function the frequencies. Do I got a list of frequencies from an osteopath who bought a practice in 1946 that came with the machine that was made in 1922 and that machine came with a list of frequencies and

[00:04:56] And I got the list and we had a microcurrent machine and the office and we were just sitting around musing one day and dr. Douglas who’s a chiropractor that worked with this old osteopath said, you know, I wonder if wonder if Harry’s frequencies would work on that Precision microcurrent. Oh we could try it. So in 1995, we tried the frequencies on the machine for the first time and

[00:05:26] Are all their under a thousand Hertz and they’re described on the list. There’s one column that was dedicated to conditions. Like inflammation was 40 Hertz chronic inflammation is 284 hurts scar tissue is 13 Hertz. So we made the Assumption and it proved correct that the frequency on the list was to neutralize this pathology or

[00:05:56] This thing that was wrong with the tissue and then there was a list of tissues. So there was 396 is the frequency for the nerve. I don’t mind giving the frequencies out to your listeners because they’re all published in a text book that I published three years ago with elsevier so frequencies for certain conditions, and we’re combined with frequencies for certain tissues and

[00:06:26] That’s then we just observe the effects first we found out that if you ran a frequency that was not useful didn’t hurt anything. So I was the first two or three months when we were using on each other and on my friends and on my kids and then we took it into the clinic and we found out all clinically what the frequencies did when you use them on on patients tissues. So probably the most dramatic was some

[00:06:55] Would come in with rheumatoid arthritis. I had a 19 20 year-old rheumatoid arthritis patients and she’s now 40.

[00:07:05] And she would come in with her knee the size of a grapefruit or a cantaloupe and

[00:07:14] I’d run the frequency for reducing inflammation in all of the joint parts that we had the cartilage The Joint capsule the bone and her knee would go from the size of a cantaloupe to normal in 45 minutes. Hmm. So the so we just discovered through use what what was effective and how it worked. So the first year we focused on treating myofascial trigger points and muscle pain that was

[00:07:44] First two papers I published and then the second year we found out 1998 we found out how to treat nerve pain free nerve pain is a nerve that’s inflamed. So it’s inflammation remove inflammation from the nerve so you could treat sciatica and radiculopathy sand then 99 we found out how to treat the spinal cord. The patients would come in with full body pain. And the only thing that made any sense was well, it’s if

[00:08:14] Their bodies all in pain, the only nerve structure that goes from your toes that carries information from your toes clear up to your neck. There’s your spinal cord. So we ran the frequency for inflammation in the spinal cord in those patients got better 98. We didn’t have any luck at all treating diabetic neuropathy these

[00:08:36] And then I looked up what the pathology was what the actual cause of diabetic neuropathy has was it doesn’t have anything to do with the nerve has to do with the blood supply the blood vessels are inflamed and congested and clogged up. So 99. We started treating the blood vessels in diabetic neuropathy patients, and we were able to to not only correct the neuropathy and take away the pain but heal the

[00:09:06] It’s as well. So it the advantage and the disadvantage is that the frequencies are very very specific they do exactly what they are alleged to do. Whether that’s what you think they’re going to be doing or not. So over the last 17 years, we really figured out that there’s very little placebo effect. At least on the part of the practitioner. You can have the best intentions in the world. And if you don’t if you’re not treating the right

[00:09:36] Thing with the right thing things don’t change. It’s it’s fascinating. So like this last year at a patient with pelvic pain. She had painful intercourse ever since the delivery of her second child, and so it been unable to have intercourse for a year and a half and so I did a palpation and sure enough her pelvic floor muscles.

[00:10:06] Said it’s scar tissue from this bad episiotomy. I felt the vaginal tissues and there wasn’t any scarring. There was no keloid. There was no perceptible scarring and her vagina, but that was her idea about where the pain was coming from. What did find was that her pelvic floor muscles were in spasm. They were just rigid. And so I treated for the muscle treated to quiet the nerve figuring May the maybe the muscles have been traumatized.

[00:10:36] During this traumatic birth and nothing. I mean it’s softened a little bit then I went to the other side and it’s softened a little bit by the time I went back to the first side it was rigid again and exquisitely painful and during this treatment. She’s talking and I’m using the frequencies for the muscles and she’s talking and she said my uterus never had time to heal from the birth of the first child. So her first child was premature. It was very difficult.

[00:11:06] Baby was in the so she had her second child 9 10 11 months after the first one so and the phrase she said two or three times was my uterus never had time to heal and I thought well, I have a frequency for the uterus and I have a frequency for removing the fact of Trauma from the uterus.

[00:11:31] I wonder if that would do anything because treating the muscles is not working. So I shifted to the frequency to remove the fact of Trauma from the uterus and her entire pelvic floor. Got soft 20 minutes later. She had absolutely no pain. No spasm no nothing and it was all from treating the uterus for trauma and and restore vitality and

[00:12:01] Remove the inflammation and their frequencies for torn and broken. And so I ran all of that on the uterus but mostly 20 minutes on the frequency to remove Trauma from the uterus and all of these pelvic floor muscles just just just disappeared. They just went back completely to normal and the next night. She had absolutely normal and pain-free sex one treatment one fix and this has been almost a year and I we had a communication

[00:12:31] – in the other day, and she said yeah, it’s still working great. No problem. It’s wonderful. It’s amazing. It’s just in it continually surprises me because you you wouldn’t it’s almost not sensible right that these people in 1922 somehow discovered frequencies that resonate with particular tissues and that they’re correct. Mmm. It’s just like really

[00:13:01] Sli, I do things all the time that even I don’t believe yeah, I’m sure well and a lot of what we talk about here at liberated body tends to be in the manual and movement therapy fields. And so a lot of the treatments that we’re doing in our own practices or that people are seeking out their accomplished Hands-On or through verbal lessons. And so this is really a big shift, you know, and how tissue can be affected and that it can be affected by microcurrent. So

[00:13:31] Is there a way or is there a model that you can use to describe? Like how does the current affect the tissue unless that’s like overly complex, but it’s not that it’s not that bad at least but not to me but then I’m live in this world. So you tell me if it makes sense to you. We’ve got really dirty listeners. I think that they’ll be fine. I love talking to nerds its rule. I had a patient yesterday that that was a she’s a veterinarian and

[00:14:01] We sat there and looked we read through the section and gaytan the physiology book that was relevant to her condition and it’s like, oh Geeks just are so much fun. Anyway, so the current the back in the 30s medical community decided that drugs and surgery was the way that medicine was going to go and the whole concept of electromagnetic therapies was shut down in 1934 and

[00:14:31] And it was it was a big part of medicine up until 1934 from about 1890 1900. So for almost 40 years so that we’ve kind of lost the concept until Becker and Jim Ashman. The body is an electromagnetic system. We think of ourselves as a chemical entity because we know the biochemistry of you know, how tissues put together and then which are hormones look like and all the

[00:15:01] Wiring diagrams but your body when it functions as an electromagnetic system you produce current on your own you are polarized positive at the spine and the brain and negative out at your fingertips and down at your toes. There is a natural current flow in every tissue every cell cells are semiconductors because of the water molecules that line the cell.

[00:15:31] Let’s say adipose or ceramic we think of those as insulators current does not flow through those well, but water everybody knows is a is a straight conductor. It conducts every cell in your body is a semiconductor like a computer chip. So the water molecules Flicker and they form in there outside shell of the water molecules a little hole where in a like there’s a space for an electron.

[00:16:00] That allows for the regulated controlled flow of not only current but information so your brain has chemical signals that were aware of but the the processing of information in your brain and your nervous system happen.

[00:16:22] By orders of magnitude more quickly, so I want to say ten times but it may be more than that. It’s orders of magnitude more quickly than is possible by Straight chemical conductivity. So you are an electromagnetic system. So the current

[00:16:43] Is physiologic microcurrent is millions of an amp it’s the same kind of current that your body produces on its own and when so you can’t feel it.

[00:16:58] And when you use current that’s below 500 microamps.

[00:17:04] It increases ATP production by 500 percent so current from 10:00 to 500 microamps increases ATP production by 500% in rats. Can that study was done in 1982?

[00:17:20] 2001 and 2002 Seger’s reproduced that study and she to found that current from zero from 10:00 to 500 microamps increased energy production ATP production by five times or five hundred percent it increased waste product removal at creased amino acid transport and it did it in living cells not just rats can not just in culture, but it

[00:17:49] It in lymphocytes human lymphocytes. So your body is able to use the current directly to increase energy. So that is that’s one effect. That’s just the current the second effect.

[00:18:06] Ttttt has been

[00:18:09] The effect of the frequency so just unmodulated microcurrent at three tenths of a Hertz or six tenths of a Hertz that’s been used since the 70s people use probes. They’ll use adhesive pads people have used micro ampere current for what is that 40 years, but the addition of the frequencies added Dimension 2

[00:18:36] The treatment that has been extraordinary so it’s as if the current gives your body all of the energy it needs to make the changes that the frequency is telling it to do there is a finally after 17 years. We have a model for what’s actually going on that fits all of the data that we have in the last 17 years and that is that the frequencies

[00:19:06] Pure to resonate probably with the messenger RNA inside the cell or the cell membrane protein receptors, which are then connected to the DNA and RNA in the cell and

[00:19:24] The frequencies resonate with those structures in such a way as to change their function. So we’re used to using a key to open up a door lock and we’re used to drugs and even nutrients as operating like a key in a door lock to change cell function.

[00:19:50] The frequencies operate like a key beeper to open the door lock electromagnetically from 20 feet away.

[00:20:00] So it’s a model that holds up and it accounts for all of the data that we have. So the model came up because these are your people are body workers by and large, right? So you’ll appreciate this. I had I had a patient with and well actually I was the patient with an Achilles tendinopathy. So I injured my achilles in January of some of

[00:20:30] 11 and I treated it twice a month three times a month with the frequencies for inflammation chronic inflammation and after a while scarring and it just kept getting worse, so I was back on a cane and the my achilles was Triple the size of normal is exquisitely tender. It’s really annoying and we went to Medical meeting had a booth and it was during one of the

[00:20:59] At times and one of our practitioners was was working at the booth and she said I said, can you try treating this? I haven’t gotten any place with it. So she happened to pick the frequency for torn and broken. She said this just feels yucky. Like there’s little micro tears in it. So well, so she put on the frequency for torn and broken on channel a 124 and the frequency for the tendon on channel be 191.

[00:21:29] And the pain started to go down in the tendon almost immediately inside of a minute the the gloves that she was using were graphite gloves were used to conduct the current they got warm and we sat and talked for an hour because that one frequency combination kept working by the end of the hour. The tendon was normal sized completely not painful no no pain normal size and never needed another

[00:21:59] Treatment

[00:22:01] And when you look up the mechanism for tendinopathy

[00:22:06] The inflammation and hypertrophy and the tendon come from the fact that there is micro tearing in the tendon that the tennis site cannot repair. Let’s say overnight. So the 10 aside begins to express the genes for inflammation and that’s why it hurts. It’s not of its nature and inflammatory condition. So treating it for inflammation works for 30 minutes, but it doesn’t do anything.

[00:22:36] And that model has completely rocked my world because like this the you mentioned that the fibromyalgia treatment there is a treatment and a paper that we have where fibromyalgia people that have full body pain associated with spine trauma. And these are your these your fibromyalgia patients that are exquisitely tender to touch light touch makes them sweat.

[00:23:05] It’s probably the most painful of the kinds of fibromyalgia and the one frequency that takes down that pain is 40 Hertz on channel a reduce inflammation 10 Hertz on channel be the spinal cord. And when you run that we have data from an immuno chemist at NIH showing that all of the inflammatory cytokines go down by factors of 10 and 20 times in 90 minutes.

[00:23:36] People that are familiar with cytokines

[00:23:40] Will tell you that cytokines do not change easily. They do not change quickly at all their hard to change and they change slowly.

[00:23:55] With FSM they reduce by factors of 10 and 20 times in 90 minutes. It is unheard of what’s interesting is they all stopped in the normal range all of them. They just stopped at twenty. None of them went below the normal level. None of them went below 15 or 20. So they all stopped in the normal range. So the original idea that I had was that somehow the frequencies were unwise

[00:24:24] During the cytokine peptide that couldn’t happen because they stopped in the normal range. So there’s model where the frequencies change cell signaling and normalize. It is probably correct and will be able to test it eventually but for body workers it means when when the muscles that say every muscle in the right shoulder is tight and tender and has trigger points in it. We’ve all treated patients like that with your

[00:24:54] Hands, and so we assume that the muscles are the problem that it’s mechanical dysfunction in the shoulder and where we’re going to normalize the fashion deal with the muscle. Well, most of us have also had the experience of doing that and being able to improve that tissue by 10% 15-20 percent in an hour-long Body Work session when you understand that

[00:25:21] The C5 C6 nerve Roots enervate virtually every muscle in the shoulder.

[00:25:30] And we treat inflammation in the nerve.

[00:25:35] And 90% of the muscle tightness muscle spasm and almost all the pain disappears in 15 to 20 minutes.

[00:25:45] So FSM, the the inescapable conclusion is that you run the frequency to reduce inflammation in the nerve inflammation in the nerve is what’s causing the increased muscle tone and muscle pain.

[00:26:03] And you correct that dysfunction and the nerve and the muscles just just quiet down and then treating the muscles easy. So there are a lot of body workers massage therapists chiropractors physical therapists in the US and Ireland and Australia that use FSM in combination with Bodywork. We have some fabric wraps that allow you to let’s say to

[00:26:34] Contact around the neck and a contact under the feet and connect them to the machine and you run a frequency combination reduce inflammation in the spinal cord that takes down a certain amount of muscle tone a certain amount of pain. You can run frequencies for whatever your fingers find and it makes it possible to do things with Bodywork that are not possible to do this.

[00:27:03] And you know, it’s worth is worth mentioning here that I trained with you many years ago 2000 and maybe 2001. Wow, and I worked at a holistic Medical Clinic in Napa that had a lot of pain patients. And so I was sort of the person who administered the frequency specific microcurrent and you know, I mean, I saw it accomplish things that I just couldn’t then and cannot now accomplish with my manual.

[00:27:33] Therapy practice, you know, you mentioned fibromyalgia from cervical injury neuropathy things like that and just seeing people who are dealing with these debilitating pain conditions that respond to very little get better in this non-invasive very easy way was really profound. So it’s special stuff and it will and it continues to improve

[00:28:03] Shift, I mean you you took the course really back before I got good at teaching it. And before we had discovered a lot of the things that were using now, so now they’re in the course. There is a section on the visceral causes of myofascial trigger points in pain. Hmm interesting. So I had a patient this week actually last week and among his complaints. He had sciatica and he had shoulder pain that was associated with thing thing from asthma

[00:28:33] Back, but he had this area of Exquisite tenderness from about t7. So as mid thoracic from t-72 about L2 and it was you would touch him and he would just Flinch in this this guy was an athlete. So it was when he flinched it was because it really hurt. So the there’s nothing there, you know structurally from t-72 l 1 or 2 is a

[00:29:03] The most stable hard to injure places in the body. The only thing that’s there is the kidneys so I ran the frequency so I set him up we treated the nerve with one machine and treated the neck and shoulder with another machine and hope to third machine up right over as mid back and ran the frequencies for kidney stone pain. There is we didn’t have this back when you took the class. We didn’t stumble across that combination until 2002 kidney stone paint.

[00:29:33] 20 Hertz and channel a 60 hertz in Channel B

[00:29:36] The muscle was completely non-tender in 10 minutes. I ran it for an hour when he came back this week. There is a little teeny hint on one side, but that mid thoracic pain is gone never came back. He had kidney stones that he did not suspect and so the visceral causes. So how do you deal with trigger points in the rectus abdominis that are causing back pain when the trigger points?

[00:30:06] Caused by inflammation in the small bowel because the patient is eating gluten or milk and they’re allergic to it. Mmm. So you can treat those tissues. You can treat those trigger points for body workers. What you can say is the frequency 40 Hertz on channel a and 22 Hertz on channel B is what takes away the trigger points in the small in the rectus abdominus in our world. We know that those frequencies are removing.

[00:30:36] Nation from the small intestine but can’t really make any claims about that because I don’t have any proof about it. But what I can say is if you run 40 Hertz on channel a and 22 and channel be the trigger points in the rectus abdominus are going to go away and you can do it you can do anything you want to the rectus abdominis. You can treat it for hours and you’ll make 5 to 10% Improvement you treat inflammation of the small intestine and it just disappears. So that’s that is probably what’s changed and refined and the 14 years since you took the class.

[00:31:07] Yeah, it’s been a voyage of discovery that has just been extraordinary. I’m sure I saw some amazing things. Yeah work. It really amazing thing like crazy miraculous things and you look at it. And you say really it worked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean there’s one. I wanted to ask you a question kind of backing up a little bit about the differences between current things that people think about but before I do I just want to mention

[00:31:36] Chicken because it’s somebody who I worked with when I was doing FSM and he gave me permission those years ago to share his story at any point and he was somebody who had a severe like it was almost decapitated cervical injury and had fibromyalgia from cervical injury. So, you know what that means, you know extreme burning pain in his hands and feet. He had been a park ranger. So he was on disability for years just miserable stuff and he did the frequency specific microcurrent and

[00:32:06] That was it like he got better. He got a home unit and he used it at home. He went back to work as a park ranger in California, you know, like where you’re doing some pretty heavy-duty stuff. Yeah. Isn’t that cool? Miraculous? Yeah. I mean he was one of those people who had just been written off as like, well, that’s your life’s going to be misery forever. You know, we had a police officer same thing. He had an accent and he’s been a motorcycle police officer. He got hit by a car.

[00:32:36] Broke both his arms. He had four surgeries on his forearms and the end of the third surgery he woke up with a full body pain and he had been at OHSU in the fibromyalgia department for four years using all sorts of meds. He came in I treated him with that same protocol that you just described a 40 and 10 and his pain went from a seven and a half or 1/8 down to a zero. He came back three days later at a

[00:33:06] For and left Adizero and he canceled his third appointment and he came back in a month later and said I don’t need to get I don’t need to be treated. I just came in to say thank you. I’ve spent the last month taking myself off of all of my medications and my pain levels are too and he never never occurred. That’s beautiful. Isn’t that cool? Yeah, it’s profound. It’s amazing giving people their lives back is amazing.

[00:33:36] That’s what we do. That’s what that’s what just turns me on about what we do and I love hearing stories like yours. Yeah. Yeah, you know me too. So what I was going to ask sort of a very basic question just because I think it’s important to differentiate a lot of people hear about currents and they’re going to be thinking about things like a TENS unit or maybe even though thinking something like ultrasound even though so can you describe how frequency specific microcurrent differs?

[00:34:06] Sure tens is milliamps. It’s thousands of an amp and it’s enough to cause muscle contraction and basically tens works by putting so much sensory input from the tank tingling and the muscle contraction you put in so much sensory input above the level of the pain generators that

[00:34:37] That you block or compete with a sending pain signals, so that’s how tens works.

[00:34:44] Microcurrent and what’s interesting is the three studies knock Chang in 1982 and seekers in 2001 and 2002 those three studies all show that current levels between five hundred and a thousand micro amps caused ATP production to level out and current levels above a thousand micro amps actually decrease ATP production ATP increases by 5 times if the currents

[00:35:14] Twin 10 and 500 microamps. So all of the things like Russian stem and interferential and tens work by creating competition or interference between the with competition or interference with the pain signals that are going up the spinal cord to the brain microcurrent Works locally by increasing ATP production at least and then what the frequencies

[00:35:44] We actually I believe or changing cell signaling that changes cell function and ultimately like when we use the frequencies to dissolve Scar Tissue, it changes cell structure we unwind the scar tissue. So the other kinds of current therapies have an effect. It’s just a different mechanism interferential works by causing so much muscle contraction.

[00:36:14] Raises endorphins locally and blocks pain it also causes what would you call it a movement of lymphatic congestion so you can reduce inflammation lymphatic congestion ultrasound just makes things vibrate and heat some up. Hmm. So even when I was a chiropractor ultrasound never made any I mean, I still am a chiropractor, but when I practiced his chiropractor and I worked in somebody else’s

[00:36:44] Is office and they had an ultrasound they wanted me to use it and it’s like I couldn’t bring myself to do it. It’s like why would you want to heat anything up? I know there are people that are Advocates but it’s never made any sense to me. So ultrasound just makes the water molecules in your body vibrate and it creates heat and that would create vasodilation and increase circulation and it’s so it’s just it’s a completely different mechanism microcurrent is a

[00:37:14] Moved in the category of tens by the FDA because it has batteries and because the people that developed it needed a way to get it to Market quickly and inexpensively, so they applied for a 510 K as if it was a TENS even though it’s not a tens and so it to be Insurance reimbursable. You just have to have a

[00:37:44] Pain diagnosis. So if you’re in an insurance-based rather than a cash brace practice people can bill for microcurrent as a tends attended electrical stem because it’s it’s approved in the category of tens. The frequencies are not regulated. So there is no FDA regulation about the use of frequencies. It’s just not something they regulate so that part’s okay.

[00:38:14] And they could get a little cranky about claims made if I was the one that was making them but pretty much anybody that’s in a private practice can do anything they want and the FDA stays clear as long as you’re not putting on, you know, putting it on television from so so yeah, it’s a it’s a different. It’s just an entirely different mechanism because the current is physiologic mmkay, and you know going back to some of

[00:38:44] Of the conditions that frequently don’t respond to things very well and that are treated very well with the microcurrent shingles is one of the things that I saw a lot of people get remarkably better from not remarkably better resolved completely and you have some good research on that as well. Well, we have a we have a finally have a published case report. It’s not good research, but at least there’s something finally in print.

[00:39:14] The frequency for shingles is there’s actually a chapter on the in the book on it frequency for shingles.

[00:39:24] In the acute phase so the patient has shingles. Let’s say they’re in pain for a week or two then the blisters breakout at that at that point even in the prodrome or when the blisters first breakout for the first two weeks or so you run that frequency. They are out of pain and 10 to 20 minutes. We used to say you had to treat him an hour a day three days in a row and what we found out was that you can do a single to our treatment so you set them up they usually fall

[00:39:54] Sleep because they’re finally out of pain and two hours later. It’s done the pains gone. They never comes back if they have blisters the blisters dry up and are gone within 24 to 48 hours. So the case that I published. I was married to David Simon’s the trigger point manual textbook author. I was married to David for the last four years of his life.

[00:40:23] Life and David had a rash on his head. We were on a trip to my oh pain meeting and ration is head that is dermatologist had said was actinic keratosis and he had a booth at this at this event and he came to the booth and he said you have got to treat me. This is driving me crazy in this medicine. He gave me to put on this rash to isn’t helping. So I treated him for actinic keratosis is inflammation in the skin.

[00:40:54] I ran the frequencies for inflammation in the skin and it made his pain worse. Well, if somebody has an infection and you reduce inflammation and it’s going to make the infection worse, so that’s what told me. It was shingles instead of actinic keratosis. So he had the shingles in the ophthalmic branch of the fifth cranial nerve. It was on his scalp down over his eye down to his ear the full distribution of the fifth cranial nerve ophthalmic Branch was involved.

[00:41:23] And and so I treated him at the booth for an hour pain was gone didn’t come back. We went back to our room that night and I he fell asleep and I treated him for two hours while he was asleep because shingles in the Uptown make branch of five and an 85 year old man does not get better. It turns into postherpetic neuralgia virtually 100% of the time and it is what they died of or what they die with it is horrible. So

[00:41:55] We did that in 2007. I think and in 2010 in Practical pain management. I wrote his obituary for that journal in June of 2010 and I asked the editor of he’d like a shingles case to publish and it was David’s and that the reason the case was publishable was the outcome.

[00:42:24] And Opthalmic branch of five shingles and 85 year old man is so well-known that anything that even improves it much less resolves it in two to four hours of treatment is extraordinary. So acute shingles. Yes, postherpetic. Neuralgia is not so easy but acute shingles if if I could get

[00:42:49] It’s the one one thing that I will let even a patient treat a family member for strength and treat strangers in the street Checker at Safeway. You can treat anybody you want for shingles because it’s not like anything else works. The antivirals are incredibly expensive and they kind of sort of make it better after maybe a week at which point it might have gotten better on its own anyway, but this is they’re out of pain than 20 minutes and it’s gone in two hours. It’s crazy. Yeah, it’s amazing.

[00:43:19] And one other research study that was or this isn’t a research study instead of a case study was about the inflammation reducing inflammation in mice years. Wow. That was a pretty clear to. Yeah, it’s well, it’s yeah, it’s extraordinary. It was at the University of Sydney in the veterinary science department. There’s a researcher down there or was a researcher. She’s retired now.

[00:43:47] Who had a colony of mice and her her professional career as a Veterinary researcher had to do with studying the effects of anti-inflammatory drugs and processes on inflammation in this mouse model. So they paint arachidonic acid on the mouse’s ears that follows a well-known well-documented inflammatory pathway and does lie pop oxygenase mediated.

[00:44:17] Formation increases it and then you do something to the mouse you give it a drug or you inject it with something you feed it something and you see what happens to the inflammation so

[00:44:30] Health world was the company down there back in 2000 that was sponsoring the seminars. So they sponsored This research project at University of Sydney. So they took my so they did the first group of mice. She painted arachidonic acid on the mouse’s ears the health World nature path picked up the mouse with these graphite gloves and man 40 Hertz on channel a

[00:44:59] And 116 hurt son Channel B, which is the frequency for the immune system and in the first 10 animals the

[00:45:09] Swelling so they measured the swelling in the ears as a measure of the research the swelling went down by 70% and the researcher shut down the lab.

[00:45:22] Shut down the study. She’d been doing this for 18 years and in 18 years. She’d never seen any prescription or non-prescription drug that had reduced inflammation by any more than 45% So anything that did it by 70% it was suspicious suspect like there’s no earthly way. That’s that’s working. So she blinded everybody in the lab. She moved the guy who is painting the arachidonic on the acid on them on the my scissors.

[00:45:52] Moved him into one room and close the door. She moved the people who are measuring the mice in another room and close the door and she went in with the guy that was treating the mice turn the machine away from him so he couldn’t see it and she put in a placebo frequency and with all of those controls. It’s still reduced inflammation and reduce the swelling by 62% in four minutes, and it was time dependent. So half of the effect was present at two minutes the full effect was present at four minutes then

[00:46:22] Then she did lie pox cyclooxygenase mediated inflammation. They paint mayor Steel stearate on the mouse’s ears ears swell out and and you can measure that swelling so and that’s a cocks mediated pathway and they ran 40 and 116 and it reduced the inflammation by 30% which doesn’t sound that good except that that was equivalent to injectable Toradol.

[00:46:53] When it was studied by the same researcher in this same animal model. Well, so we and that’s when we knew that it was time dependent that was a piece of information. We didn’t have before that but of research, so it was it means basically that FSM can we have data that supports its the use of frequencies and frequency specific microcurrent in every inflammatory.

[00:47:23] Listen, so asthma pancreatitis cirrhosis liver enzymes irritable bowel Crohn’s ulcerative colitis. Anything that is not infected rheumatoid arthritis. And if any thing that is associated with inflammation, most of the dementias most of the neurologic conditions that are associated with inflammation.

[00:47:53] It’s it was an extraordinary breakthrough. And what was what the only unfortunate thing is that she had she had 20 mice that were in this first group and the N wasn’t big enough to satisfy the critics and the Skeptics and so she wouldn’t publish it. Mmm. So we have this beautiful piece of research. She is completely ethical and objective and she assures me that it is.

[00:48:23] Usable that we could if we found somebody with a mouse colony in the same sort of expertise, we could reproduce the findings. The cytokine data shows that we we have we can reduce inflammation in the nervous system. So between those two things any inflammatory process ovarian cysts ovarian cyst, you can feel them to shrink. Mmm.

[00:48:49] And it’s you running for the frequency for inflammation in the ovary and the feel the ovary if you’re trained in that kind of palpation in feel the ovary go from the size of a grapefruit the size of golf ball or low-cost. Yeah, and in 15-20 minutes, so that that piece of work was was just extraordinary and it’s Vivian Reeve was the researcher at University of Sydney and

[00:49:17] Oh the nature path. I can see his face in my head. So of course, I can’t remember his name, but I’ll put that in the show notes to for people who want to look at that that bow case of of research and just one, you know, circling back a little to fibromyalgia one other thing about that when I had trained with you you sort of differentiated at the time. I don’t know if this is change but you differentiate a different types of fibromyalgia, which I think is so helpful, you know that they don’t all get lumped into the same thing. So, can you speak to

[00:49:47] That a little bit absolutely because it’s been I’ve sort of given up lecturing to the fibromyalgia Community because there’s still looking for one cause and the patients end up with a it’s a neuroendocrine pain problem patients end up with very similar appearance and difficulties at the end of it. But how they got there. There’s one group that’s probably 30 to

[00:50:17] And of fibromyalgia patients get there because they have a spine injury a neck injury. They fell off a horse they fell off a ladder. They got in an auto accident. They got intubated for surgery or they they bulged a disc at T6 in a martial arts confrontation and that inflames the spinal cord in that gives them full body pain and then after you’ve been in pain for one to two months your endocrine system just gives up the ghost.

[00:50:47] To end you end up with the endocrine difficulties, but there are patients that don’t have that their mechanisms are different. So there are patients who get full body pain because they are they have been exposed to organic chemicals or pesticides their liver can’t handle the detoxification just because of their genetics and so they the organic chemicals get into the nervous system membranes and change the fire.

[00:51:17] During characteristics and create pain and the pain takes you down this endocrine stress cycle that that creates the other symptoms. We associate with fibromyalgia. There are some patients where they kind of they have fibromyalgia, but what they have is poorly managed menopause their estrogen dominant progesterone deficient that gives them a sleep disturbance and fatigue.

[00:51:47] And then they have trigger points in the neck and their low back and that gives them the body pain and then the combination of the pain the fatigue the estrogen dominance that ends up creating this milieu that we call fibromyalgia. There are some patients who have it because the vitamin D deficient

[00:52:07] Cheryl her shoe at OHSU has measured fibromyalgia patients. They have vitamin D levels of 7M horn undetectable or 12 and you get their vitamin D levels up to 50 or 60 where they belong and the fibromyalgia goes away. Well, then they still have to transition off of all the drugs that are on to like be able to have a life. There’s another group that has

[00:52:37] Full body pain because of basically food sensitivities. It’s serum sickness. It’s not ige food allergies, you know, where you to a peanut new turned bright red and you fall over it’s macrophage mediated food sensitivities. So the IGG antibodies have multiple sites for antigen to stick to so, let’s say you’re sensitive to gluten and you’ve got these

[00:53:07] Igg antibodies and if you put your hand out in front of your face, you’re going to see five fingers and each one of those fingers has room to hook onto a little gluten peptide and they stick to each other. So the IGG antibodies forms circulating mats when they stick to each other and make little antigen-antibody complexes. The macrophages are your kind of like your clean up guys macrophages come along and and Hoover those up that

[00:53:37] Those up and the macrophages are not great at appetite control. So they eat as much as they can and then they explode and they release histamine everywhere. Well histamine stimulates Class C pain fibers, which the slow multimodal achy achy, achy pain fibers and the paint can get quite intense. And so that creates the pain and you can develop these food sensitivities.

[00:54:07] He’s at the age of 20 30 40 any place in there. Once your body gets in pain histamine stimulates alertness in the brain, which is why antihistamines make you sleepy so histamine interferes with sleep the histamine creates pain and once you are sleep deprived and in pain doesn’t take but three to four months and you’ll develop fibromyalgia. Hmm. So the way to fix

[00:54:37] That group is to put them on an Elimination Diet get them off of the most likely Foods. I haven’t found a decent lab with accurate test results. And so the seven most common foods you get them off of those with no cheating for six to eight weeks body pain goes down you treat him with microcurrent you treat their gut you treat the muscle pain quiet down the gut treat the lover treat the adrenals and the the studies that we had out of my clinic.

[00:55:07] Enoch takes about four months for fibromyalgia patients to recover you get their pain down and the neuroendocrine system just writes itself. Mmm, their energy levels come back. They start getting tired at night instead of waking up at night their digestion improves their allergies kind of settle down. It’s

[00:55:30] It’s pretty it’s really it’s pretty extraordinary. Yeah, there’s another there’s another group that gets immunized. So they get a flock of immunizations to go to China or Africa and they are never well after that. There’s another group that will get a viral illness of some sort some sort of retro virus and they have immune system compromises after that. So it’s there are there’s six or seven different ways I think in my textbook

[00:56:00] It’s frequency specific microcurrent in pain management. And the text book there’s a chapter on fibromyalgia and those types and how you diagnose them and really how you treat them is included in that chapter in the textbook. Mmm. It’s amazing. So helpful, you know, because I feel like it has been wrongly just dumped into the same basket for so long, which is why so many people struggle with it and don’t know how to get out of it. Yeah, and they’re told it’s unfixable. It’s like yeah, it is not a Prozac deficiency my is not an

[00:56:30] Advil deficiency is not a Celesta Celexa deficiency. Right and it’s like if you have to be willing to look in the history and find out where it came from. So one patient comes to mind. She was an accountant a CPA sole support of her family her she had three kids or husband was on disability. And so she was motivated to work. They she lived out in Hood River which is an agricultural area.

[00:57:00] And she had bain’t brain fog and body pain and she gained 80 pounds and she was she had fibromyalgia. She was a mass and the history took an hour and a half have end the quote I kept looking for what would have caused it no auto accidents. No food sensitivities that she knew about or she was already on an Elimination Diet we and I find I said well, have you ever been exposed to organic chemicals or pesticides know and when did you

[00:57:30] Symptoms start mm. Okay. Have you ever lived on or near a farm or near an orchard? And she said well, yeah.

[00:57:44] We live in a house in the middle of an orchard. Mmm. I said is an organic Orchard. Oh, no the men come in Moon suits twice a month and gray the trees and they tell us to just stay inside for an hour or two and it will be fine. And I said, do you have City water or well water we drink water from a well. That’s on the property. Wow. Oh my gosh. And when did you move in to this house?

[00:58:14] 99 her symptoms started in 2000 and she never Associated the to because her on set was so gradual. So I said you have to move you. So we treated her for toxicity and her pain went down but it wouldn’t last because you kept going home. So we she went on vacation went to stay with an aunt for a month took the husband and kids with her. She moved back. She got better. She moved back. She got sick again, they moved and she recovered and she was fine after that, but it comes from

[00:58:44] From someplace. It does not just land on you from space. It is not just Central sensitization. It is not a Celexa deficiency. It’s not a serotonin deficiency most of the time sometimes it is but it’s fixable. Hmm, and I just I’ve gotten though I confess I’ve gotten a little frustrated with the fibromyalgia Community because they don’t want it to be fixable. Hmm. It’s like they can’t get their head around the concept that it comes from someplace. And then if you address the place that

[00:59:14] It comes from you can fix it. Right that is that is my contention. So yes, thank you for holding that Vision. Yes. Yay. And is there anything just to wrap it up? I was like to ask all the smart people I get to talk to what they’re currently fascinated by or working on in their own practice. So is there anything on your mind or in your practice these days? Oh, what a great question. This has been the year of it’s been it’s been a

[00:59:44] About a year of the relationship between the cerebellum the spinal cord and the neuromuscular system. Now, that’s kind of a little obscure. It’s also been the year of the visceral connection to myofascial pain. So this lady with the pelvic floor spasms and man with the thoracic pain where it comes from kidney stones in the pelvic floor spasm where it came from the uterus that’s been like the last couple of years, but this last year

[01:00:14] Dealing with patients who have spinal cord like myelopathy these or spinal injuries and figure and or you

[01:00:27] Basically rebuilt a peripheral area like the shoulder or the hip and the leg you’ve changed all the scar tissue change the mechanics and then the brain has to figure out how to get this region to function normally biomechanically to have all the muscles fire in the right order. We found out working with a patient that had a shoulder fracture. So we were we

[01:00:55] I worked on it for eight nine months. It was my shoulder and they physical therapists are work with the the shoulder muscles have to fire in a certain order in order for the shoulder to move properly in a coordinated fashion. And when we treated the with the frequent, so I weird treated the shoulder that wasn’t doing anything and I was out on the exercise floor and

[01:01:25] We had the microphone around my neck and around my upper arm, and we ran the frequency to increase secretions in the cerebellum and the shoulder coordination mechanics completely changed in 10 seconds. Wow. It was crazy. It was like did that just do what? I think it did and the ptas that are watching me go. Yes, so we exercised with that.

[01:01:54] In place that that running for about 5 to 10 minutes and so the muscle coordination was good, but it was still hard for me to find the muscle like she’d say, okay now move this your contract that I was hard to locate it. Well, there’s a frequency for the sensory cortex. So I ran the frequency being my own guinea pig increased secretions in the sensory cortex and in a way that is very difficult to describe all of a sudden I could find my shoulder. Mmm.

[01:02:24] I could find the muscles. So we started doing this with patients who are in rehab increased secretions in the sensory cortex have them move it and they can find it then increased secretions in the cerebellum and the spinal cord and the nerve and you can follow that whole train from the brain down to the extremity. So it’s a it’s a pretty sophisticated level of practice like the average massage therapist.

[01:02:54] We’ll treat locally treat the cord treat the nerve treat the faccia treat the sarcomere or treat the cause of the problem. But when you get to more elaborate RSD kinds of neurologic dysfunction or spinal cord injuries or brain injuries or little more complex peripheral injuries when you can manipulate the brain

[01:03:24] To connect with the periphery. It’s a total Game Changer. It takes eight months worth of work and compresses it to about an hour. It’s amazing. It’s just nuts. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for doing this work and bringing this work to the world and also for talking with all of us today. Thank you so much for having me Brooke. This was really fun. I hope you come back to a seminar sometime soon. I very much look forward to it. Yes. Okay, dear so big gratitude again.

[01:03:53] To dr. Carolyn mcmakin for talking with all of us today. If you want to check out frequency specific microcurrent some more that website is frequency And her text book again is frequency specific microcurrent in pain management the show notes for this episode including some great videos of FSM and action and some great case studies and research including the crazy Mouse your research are at liberated And before we get into the whole

[01:04:23] Home play just a wee bit more information about the 30 day challenge at liberated body. If you’ve heard of a food cleanse or an Elimination Diet, which of course A lot of people are talking about these days as we get off the crazy train that is the holidays and heading to New Year’s resolution land. So this is kind of like a movement version of that but more fun less deprivation and more good times. So the gist of it is that we’re getting to know our own physical habits and patterns learning good skills for just basic support of

[01:04:53] Panics of our everyday movements like standing bending walking sitting and of course indulging in a super fun movement scavenger hunt which some of you may have gotten a little taste of at the Facebook group recently. You can always check out more details that liberated forward slash 30 – day – challenge and it all happens within a private Facebook group. So you’re going through it with a group of really wonderful people. It’s my personal favorite part about the challenge. I feel crazy lucky that

[01:05:23] That I get to digitally hang out with some really amazing people every time I run a challenge. So it’s going to be open for enrollment from December 29th through the first and then closed again until April. So I only run it a few times a year and once the clock strikes midnight and it becomes January 2nd. It is closed. I don’t do last minute because you know a I want to hang out with the people who have actually signed up and not be distracted for them and bi.

[01:05:53] When people to think I’m full of crap when I say things like I’m not going to let people in after the deadline. So that’s all that onto this week’s home play. I really just have a couple of videos to trip out on and they’re in the show notes. Neither are from FSM both come from me Meandering around and videos on resonance and one is from the gentleman physicist great name which explains residence in a really great clearer concrete way so you can

[01:06:23] Watch it to just learn a good explanation of resonance. But also what’s really cool is you get to see the effect of the right resonant frequency on glass. So you get to watch in slow motion a wineglass kind of Bend and wobble and eventually explode which is crazy. And another is of an artist who’s creating these beautiful geometric images of Water by using sound wave frequencies. So watching how the water organizes itself into these patterns with

[01:06:53] Frequencies is really beautiful. So watch it and remember that we’re about 70% water and speaking of water. There’s a third that is just it’s another sound frequency experiment with water coming out of a hose. It’s crazy. It’s like crazy magic. So these are just things to kind of watch and meditate a little bit on us as electromagnetic beings and as a resonant beings and how resonance might affect us.

[01:07:23] And that’s it for home play this week. I am very grateful to marry Slater Jen Mulholland Johnson, yousuf. Zai. I hope I didn’t butcher your last name and Beth posa for your very kind and lovely emails and you can always find me at Brooke at liberated There’s an e on the end of my name and on iTunes. I’m really grateful to want to be but he satva and at least give me for your very generous and kind reviews and hey now if you ever feel moved to leave a review

[01:07:53] You helped you just truly fantastic as it helps other people to find the show. So I will be back in a couple of weeks to kick off 2015 with some exceptional body nerd Delights. And so until then, please enjoy celebrating the holiday season a very Happy New Year to all of you and keep on making the world a more embodied place.


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