Episode Sixty-Two – What Would We Do Without FSM?

Carolyn McMakin, MA, DC Kim Pittis, LCSP, (PHYS), MT

0:43 40/89 is your friend 3:55 See inside 4:31 Torn SI joint 6:00 Unwrap it 8:25 What would we do without FSM? 16:00 What is tone? 17:09 One size fits all fits no one 22:07 FSM forces you to learn 23:23 Knee replacements 26:14 Increased movement without pain 28:18 Mold sensitivity 37:03 Ehlers-Danlos 42:31 Leg cramps 43:44 Scar tissue 47:33 Its never the muscle or the bursa 50:39 Kims quote

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Kim Pittis:
And I was thinking about you, actually, because when we're talking about patients that bring so much energy and we talked about this patient that I had, I don't know if it was last week or the week before that was so sad that I just started with Restore Joy because I didn't know what else to start with. And it was amazing. And it just diffused the whole situation. And I thought back to the core, how we talk about the analogy, the nervous tension. I think it is in the beginning of the concussion protocol. And I think the analogy is if you've ever tried to apply a Band-Aid to a screaming three-year-old, you understand that concept?

Dr. Carol:
Yeah. Yeah, it's yeah, it's 40/89 is your friend.

Kim Pittis:
40/89 is what 124 was a couple of years ago. I remember the 124 was the frequency of the year and we were relearning it for time dependency and using it in more than just torn in broken. It's everywhere.

Dr. Carol:
I had a patient that was here for. It was really complicated. It made my brain hurt and it took me. She was here for five days. Just her history took 3 hours the first day, so I didn't ever get to treat her. Every treatment was 2 hours. We started with a right hip fracture and two weeks later, right hip replacement because they thought they could fix the fracture with a screw. That didn't work. That's a good face. And then this was in 2003. A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far away. And then in 19', she had her left hip replaced because there was nothing left of the cartilage. And then a myofascial therapist decided that her whole body needed work, but he really focused on her psoas. And three days after he dug on her psoas and her groin on that right side. That's a good face.

Kim Pittis:
I know where this is going.

Dr. Carol:
I've never seen it before. It took me five days. Her pelvic floor became completely spastic. And through 2019 there were interventions. Oh, yeah, I remember. It all started in 2003. Not with the right hip. It started in 2003 when she fractured her tibia into, not Grape-Nuts, but chunks of stew meat kind of sizes. And then she had an open spiral fracture of her fibula, but it healed and there was no knee pain. Then we went to the right hip. Then to the left hip. Then to the guy with the elbow and the thumb in those right psoas. And then pelvic floor pain. Every day. What made it all better was 124/77. So I took out the scar tissue on the right hip, took out the scar tissue on the left hip. 124/77, every day. She left with her pain at a one. Down from a six or seven.

Kim Pittis:
So let's go with this for a second, because I think a few podcasts ago we talked about. You know how you put your eyeballs on your fingertips, but sometimes you don't even need to put them on your fingertips. You just. I can't verbalize it. You just. You get in their body, you see their history.

Dr. Carol:
You see inside.

Kim Pittis:
You see inside. And sometimes I see, and this sounds crazy, but sometimes I see like a roadway. And I just think about what are the obstacles in my path or in this patient's path that is preventing healing.

Dr. Carol:
And the problem for me was how do you go from right hip, no problem. Left hip, no problem. Knee fracture first. No problem. Guy with this elbow in his thumb. And the real problem, the pelvic floor spasticity. I'm going to cut to the chase. He tore her right SI joint the last day we taped her right S.I. joint and she could walk normally for the first time since she came in. And it's like, what is the pelvic floor trying to do? It's trying to hold her pelvis together and you get suckered because that also is like she has right hip pain. She has left hip pain, she has knee pain. And this pelvic floor spasticity sort of presenting complaints where pelvic floor spasticity and right knee pain. And you look at her history and it's like you fractured your right knee in 2003. It's 20 years ago and you if it was like Whac-A-Mole until I taped her SI joint and all in one went… Until it didn't. Then I got a text message or a call from them on Monday of this week, and I'm off this week, so I will talk to her on Thursday. But 124/77.

Kim Pittis:
So come back with me on my journey on the road. And when we're going through the history and yeah, we're thinking about all these old injuries that could potentially. I think a lot of us just jump to something scarred. Right? There's an old injury, something scarred. But the scarring happened because something tore.

Dr. Carol:
And bled.

Kim Pittis:
And bled. So you had trauma. I think, as we're doing such a good job of explaining how to work your way through the frequencies, it's not just. Like last weekend or last week we were just talking about this amazing disc stuff. It was just very easy. I got a very cool, straight up disc patient. Thank you, Universe, for just throwing me a bone once in a while.

Dr. Carol:
Yes.

Kim Pittis:
The retreatment is done, but again, even with the disc, like it's not just inflamed, there's tearing in the annulus that and yes, the muscles are splinting and they're scarred on top. But taking the splinting, taking the scarring away without treating what bled, what tore can create a whole other little cyclone of issues because you're not addressing the root cause, number one. You're never going to close that case. This is a prime example of patient will be good for a couple hours, but it'll never hold.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah.

Kim Pittis:
Because you have to create that false sense of stability. So whether it's with tape for a little while until you can get those really small co-contractions to help stabilize the pelvis again, convince midbrain that unwinding the pelvic floor is going to be a good thing.

Dr. Carol:
That it doesn't have to spasm to hold the pelvis together because…

Kim Pittis:
The SI joint is okay now. FSM forces you to… And my hands are doing like this Rubik's Cube thing.

Dr. Carol:
That's the word that I'm hearing your hands say, is you haveto unwrap it.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And yeah, at some point today, we have to share the text that we got.

Kim Pittis:
Let's do it right now. Because I don't want to run out of time and forget about it.

Dr. Carol:
Okay? Those of you that have taken the core and you see the picture of the little girl sitting on her mom's lap. And Mom's hands. The adhesive pads are on the mom's shoulders and the mom's hands, and the mom is holding the child. And this child had a laparoscopic surgery. She had a fuzed suture anastomosis. The central suture where they're supposed to have the soft spot was fuzed when she was born. So at three months old, her head was shaped like a football because it couldn't do that. So it did that. And so that year we treated her first, just scarring in the dura. And I just ran scarring in the dura through the mom's hands. And Hannah is sitting there wiggling and playing with balls and her dad gives her and then she reaches down and she touches her knees. And then ultimately, after 60 minutes, she sticks her foot out and wraps her hands around her foot. So she did a dural stretch and we waited some more. And then the next thing that happened was she bent over at the waist and put her head between her feet. So that's when we knew that adhesions in the dura were gone. Yeah, we thought we were done.

Dr. Carol:
Then the next year, mom came to the core, and Hannah, I think, she was two. I guess it was two years later. Hannah's now five, and she insists on coming to the core. I'll be good, I promise, Mom. So Hannah's sitting in the corner, and I notice that her right arm is spastic, like she's had a stroke. It's her left one she's using just fine and her right one is clamped to her body like this. Like somebody that's had a stroke. And so at the end of the day. We unwrapped it. It was. What did they do during the surgery? And mom is an anesthesiologist and mom says I put the scope up between the skull and the dura and cut the suture and then cut little wedges at the parietal suture so that the whole thing would be able to expand. And that's when you ask the what if question. What makes a five-year-old look like she's had a left sensory motor stroke. What? What makes that happen? If you put a scope up there and you cut the blood supply off for a period of time or you squash the arteries and they get inflamed. It could reasonably maybe take two years for enough scar tissue in the blood vessels to form to restrict blood supply to just this portion because it's only your arm. It's not a right leg, it's just arms. So if you look at the homunculus on the sensory-motor cortex could be. So it acts like a stroke, so you treat it like a stroke.

Dr. Carol:
So we did increase secretions in the sensory and motor cortex because this gets spastic because the signal from the sensory and motor cortex to the right arm isn't there. So we did that. And thanks to Kathleen Kasman, the physical therapist I knew how to range a spastic patient. Because we did that in Taiwan. So did it once or twice. So pretty soon. Hannah's got her arm up over her head, and it's all nice and loose, and she's acting completely normal.

Dr. Carol:
That leads us to the text. This is from Hannah's mom. I was talking with Hannah the other night after she had just had an FSM bath, concussion and Vagus as it was doing red light therapy on her. And she looked at me, looked up at me and said. Mom, I wish that there wasn't such a thing as tone, meaning the hypotonia or right arm. We talked about it for a little bit and then she said, What would we do without FSM? And then we talked about how grateful we are that she was born into our family and that we were directed to find you in FSM. So thank you. I love you. And I'm forever grateful for how you have changed our lives for the better.

Dr. Carol:
Then you and I had a text exchange where. So you and I had an exchange and it's like, I may have gotten FSM started, but the fact that it's teachable and that the frequencies always do what they're described as doing. It wouldn't do me any good to have the idea that this problem was caused by a lack of input. Or flow from the sensory motor cortex wouldn't do me any good to have that thought unless I could change it. And so it's like I got it started. But FSM persists now for 20-five years because it does what it's described as doing. The results are why. But that requires that we have to think. It's like it wouldn't have done me any good to treat the nerve because if it's nerve, it doesn't get spastic. It gets weak. Wouldn't have done me any good to think about the muscle, because spasticity in the muscle, especially skeletal muscles, never the muscle. You unpack it and you go back to neurology. I treated a stroke once. I wonder this acts like a stroke. I wonder if it would work. Can't hurt, might help. Now she's seven. Then there's this little girl that the frequencies have changed her life.

Kim Pittis:
and the fact that she's putting that together and has gratitude for the therapy and the treatment. Hanna is a very wise child. Like, very much love hanging out with her at the Advanced.

Dr. Carol:
She'll be back this year.

Kim Pittis:
So a couple of things.

Dr. Carol:
Denise posted a Q&A hat said "sound". Tone is the amount of tension in a muscle at rest. We talk about it in the Core now because we have a way to treat it, and we always find somebody with increased tone and usually it's interference with descending inhibition from the brain or the spinal cord.

Kim Pittis:
I want to back it up to. There's so many things I want to back it up to.

Dr. Carol:
Onward. Yours. Go.

Kim Pittis:
Building on what you were saying, I had this really interesting conversation this morning with a practitioner that was introduced to FSM 15, 18 years ago.

Dr. Carol:
Oh, poor thing.

Kim Pittis:
So I said. Hadn't been to a course, but just had met somebody who had just taken a course 15 years ago.

Dr. Carol:
Oh, dear.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah. But loves FSM, loves the results, but has no desire to take a course because it's going to be too time-consuming and just wants to push a button and there has to be an easier way and so blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I said, I'm sorry, I have to cut you off right now and said, Excuse me, and might I have to cut you off because I actually feel really sorry for you because what you're trying to do and find the easy way and the one size fits all. Doesn't have any place in the world that we live in for anything, not even just for FSM and someone who has been practicing for a long time as this person has been, I go, You should know that the real changes that you make with your patients and your clients come from digging deep within you and what your knowledge is and exploring and asking the questions. I go until you get that I am not the person you need to call for advice. And there's silence. What a radio silence. And he goes, Oh, I really didn't think this conversation was going to go like that. And I said, No, I'm about teaching. My passion lies in helping practitioners figure out how to unwrap the package. That's where the magic is. It's not pushing a button. And I go, And the reason why you weren't getting success with all your patients is because you just wanted to push a button. You didn't want to ask the questions. So until you want to ask the questions, I can't give you the answers.

Dr. Carol:
I'm not your guy.

Kim Pittis:
I'm not your guy. And I was proud of myself because a few years ago I wouldn't have been that conversation would have gone completely different.

Dr. Carol:
I'm so proud of you. It's the first thing I would have said is, Yeah, you need to go someplace else. You were nicer.

Kim Pittis:
I was. I am Canadian. Typically default to the niceness first. But then we talked about setting boundaries with patients a while ago too. Like you can't want it more than your patient. And that's sometimes where you have to fire them. And because we're digging deep and we're challenging practitioners or other practitioners out there to dig deep. That's also what's creating the community that we have. And I think why we're special and tight. And do you know what I mean? Because you're. You're challenging each other to be better.

Dr. Carol:
And in the Core, supine cervical, supine neck and shoulder. And the supine lumbar is always just a revelation. When it's not what you thought it was, that's just a number. But the two. Supine cervical in the supine neck and shoulder. I've come to describe those as the money shot, because you actually do help about 70 to 80% of the people that walk in off the street with those three practicums. That's it. And concussion and vagus and SIBO and mold in the Vagus and mold in the midbrain and all the other dig-deep stuff. That's the 20%. I think you and I get a skewed view of the average practitioner's reality because we have podcasts. Because we have media presence. Because we have whatever. And so these patients don't walk in my door. Right? And the easy patients, every now and then you get an easy patient that's just a disk. And how many years did he have it? How many practitioners did he see? And for us, it's it's a supine surgical practicum in the neck and shoulder. And it's four sessions and maybe a CustomCare in love you bye. But for the average practitioner, as long as they're happy or content, as long as they're content with failing 20 to 25% of the time. Because then FSM is still the money shot, right? Supine. Cervical, supine. Neck and shoulder, supine lumbar. Extremity joint and occasional hip and… Sorry, lane change.

Kim Pittis:
No, it's not, actually. It's all flowing together because its easy until it's not. And when it's not is when all the fun stuff actually starts to happen. And I treat a lot of athletes, I treat a lot of teenagers, a lot of teenage athletes. And we have this conversation all the time in my house with my family about putting yourself out there and challenging yourself and not being afraid to fail and failing makes us better. And how boring would it be if it always worked out? And while I'm all about staying within your professional scope of practice, FSM forces you to learn about things that you never dreamed you would be interested in. I have this big book on Mast cell activation because this is just what I'm seeing and it's fascinating and I don't know a lot about it, but I sure like to learn about it. And where else in my world would I ever find patients that have these symptoms that I can help?

Dr. Carol:
And they walk in your door and they say it's all over. That's really cool!

Kim Pittis:
Right?

Dr. Carol:
No, I had another thing this week. It was last week because I'm actually off an unscheduled week for the first time in since 1992. I know. Anyway, so the patient comes in and maybe I talked about him last week, but he has both knees are pretty much. Hes had two surgeries on them and the new MRI is like is gone and the meniscus is are gone. He came clear from Florida to Portland to Oregon to get me to fix his knees. And that was the first conversation we had was, yeah, no, can't put tissue back that's not there. It's a holding pattern. Our goal is to put off your knee replacements for five years. He's 70, 66, so let's put him off for five years till you're over 70. But then because of that section, I do in the core about the knee. It gets caught between the foot and the hip. I did a hip exam. He has zero internal rotation in his right hip. The right knee is worse than the left knee and normal rotation, external and internal rotation on the left hip. Zero internal rotation and 30 degrees external rotation in his right hip. And so here's the thing. You're looking at two knee replacements and two right hip, which showed you first, I said, find a surgeon that you like and you have resources. So scope it out. Find out the right guy, and you go ask him.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And. Yes, I can fix your shoulder. So at the end of the week, his shoulders were better. We treated his knees every day, and he still has a 6000 to 7000 step limit. Before his knees go completely berserk and he didn't want to get a CustomCare. Okay, so that's fine. Oh, no, he did get a CustomCare. But the other thing was ketoprofen and lidocaine. So you put ketoprofen in lidocaine on the shoulder when it gets really achy and on both knees. When you do 7000 steps that day and you do them at night. You have to also understand what you can't fix, right? FSM does lots of magic stuff but can't do the knees.

Kim Pittis:
Right. And I think that you hit something that I think we've always done a good job at saying it doesn't we don't fix or cure everything. But a lot of times when you do see those patients that did get the diagnosis that whatever was surgical, whether it's spine or hip or knee, especially in a younger patient. So I'm saying anybody younger than 70. They would just need another surgery later on. Nothing is going to last that long. I'll say that very quickly. I'm not going to be able to fix this. We can't put something back that's not there. But let's buy you some time. That's it. I'm pretty confident in helping somebody. And even if you can get their pain down, even if you can get their pain down, that's such a simple little sentence, isn't it? Like, of course you're going to get their pain down. The goal is to get their pain. For me, my world is all about the movement. Get their pain down enough so that we can build a corrective exercise to build the strength to convince the nervous system movement is okay and send them on their way this way, knowing that they still will need the surgery, but maybe not next week, maybe in a few years down the road. So something as easy as just taking someone's pain down. Hello.

Dr. Carol:
Like a picture. So we put him on the reformer. And this is how you strengthen your quads prior to your hip or knee replacement. And this is how you strengthen the muscles because you can't do quad sets in the gym. And he works out every day. He was a basketball player in high school and college, and then it was a PE coach for 45 years. So he beat up his knees. He's earned it. So you have to strengthen the muscles without weight bearing. And how do you do that? And so it's a whole picture.

Kim Pittis:
There's a couple of questions that came in here. Let's get it. And then I had a couple that were emailed to me that were great that I want to share too, before we go anywhere. So let's go with Leifs question Carol, have you explored your mold sensitivity with Neil Nathan? Been reading Toxic by him and while thought it.

Dr. Carol:
Brings on my hypochondriasis though, right? When I invite lectures I tell people I'm alive because of Mary Ellen Chalmers and Neil Nathan. Neil was a lecturer. I can't remember what year, but I had basically primary pancreatic failure. Didn't make any lipase didn't make. Well and Ok, normal lipase levels are 13, mine were four and I didn't make amylase. So I didn't digest carbohydrates or fats. So Neil and I are having lunch at the Advanced and I'm taking enzymes with lunch and he said, What's up with that? And I said, Oh, my pancreas is blah, blah, blah. And he said, You need to come see me now. This is February. What about? I said, Just come to my office. So his office is in Santa Rosa. So I fly down to his office and he said, I want you to say, ahh. I want you to check your gag reflex. And I said, You've got to move that wastebasket a little bit closer because I'm going to barf on your carpet. And sure enough, it's zero gag reflex like. Wiggled around, tried to gag. Nothing. Zip. And he said, Yeah, you've got mold. I beg your pardon? You've got mold. I said no. I live in a mold free house. And it's I did have a mold exposure in 1997.

Dr. Carol:
And then, yeah, there was that ceiling like two years ago. And he looked at me and said, You have mold. Okay, so we did the urine test and sure enough, and the only one I had was Stachybotrys, which is a neurotoxin. But it colonized my sinuses and paralyzed my pancreas. Basically turned off the vagus nerve, which is why I didn't have a gag reflex. And so he put me on binders. So one of the binders is Corella, it's a little green algae pill and the package says take 15 at a time. Neal said to take three. So I took five. Seem like a split. The difference in his favor. Three days later, I was a complete nut-job. Anxious, agitated. What the heck? So I called Neil. I said, What is this about? He said, How many are you taking? Five. How many did I tell you to take? Three. And busted. You said go completely off of him for three days, then go back to one for a week and then two for a week and then go back to three. And so. He treated me with. We had the nasal spray, we had the binders, and after about three months we added Itraconazole and I got much better for three months.

Dr. Carol:
And then symptoms came back and he said, You've got mold in the house. I do not. He said, Yeah, you do. So that was November. And then finally in January. George and I went around to literally every single water inlet in the house and there in the hot water intake into the washing machine. There was a single drop of hot water. So I call the plumber. Plumber came out on Monday. We pull the washer out and there's one wainscoting in the laungdy room. So there's the former owners had put up this nice wood waist-high thing. I said, while you've got it pulled out, let's just pop that off and see what it's like. The entire laundry room wall between the laundry room and the garage was solid black mold. It went down under the floor. It went into the little half bath that was next to it and into the drywall and the garage. I hate it when Neils right. So there was that remodel and then two years later. Any time I was not traveling, I'd come home. I sit in the kitchen and that's where I'd eat and work and do this and that. After three days, I'd be tired.

Dr. Carol:
So we remodeled the kitchen and they took it down to the studs and Stachybotrys is a neurotoxin. So when George and Adam and I were cleaning out the cupboards, all of a sudden. I couldn't move the left side of my body. And that goes back to my next surgery. But anyway. Couldn't move the left side of my body. They had to literally pull and push me up the stairs and get me into bed. And when the guys came and took all the cupboards out and got down to the studs, there was one stud. And a base plate that was dark gray, black and a single stud going up behind the cupboards. That was black. And the contractor that was doing the remodel said, Oh, that's just this color. And it's no. That is why we're doing the remodel. So yeah, Neil Nathan is. So I carry mold test kits. I use real-time. I don't like great planes. That's my own thing. You can do match samples and see which ones you like. But real-time is my friend. And yeah, it's if the Vagus were nerve doesn't work. You look for jaw infection and you look for mold and parasites in the gut. Infection, stress and trama. And this lecture. And story.

Kim Pittis:
That's a terrifying story.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah. Neil Nathan and Mary Ellen Chalmers. Mary Ellen Chalmers is finally going to do the 90-minute head, neck and face pain and the future of FSM and dentistry. Mary Ellen Chalmers is the one that found my jaw infection. The jaw infection was responsible for my single vessel, single lesion, open heart surgery, and probably both my hip replacements. That was all from the jaw infection. That was before I ever got exposed to mold. And then five years later, we had the mold. So those two people. And the reason I'm alive. Plus FSM.

Kim Pittis:
I still don't know. I'd still like to see the schedule for the Advanced because I still don't understand how everybody is coming in two days. Three days.

Dr. Carol:
It's the Symposium. It's posted on the website. I gave Kevin the final version last week. It's exciting. It's.

Kim Pittis:
I'm so excited.

Dr. Carol:
It might not be the final version because I might not have. There's more to come. There's some holes. The practitioner case reports have come in, so we've got those listed and I think I have all of the case report slots full. My only problem is where to put Ben and Dave and how to put them. Do we, Ben and Dave show for an hour at the Advanced and then do an hour of Ben and an hour of Dave at the symposium?

Kim Pittis:
Just ask them.

Dr. Carol:
I just that's what my to-do list probably tomorrow. And then we had an hour block that was open at the Advanced. We didn't have a speaker and I'm going to do the Ehlers-Danlos webinar as an Advanced presentation.

Kim Pittis:
Very good.

Dr. Carol:
Chicago was mind-bending. 27 students at the practicum in Chicago, six from in the class and a seventh one from outside. All had Ehlers-Danlos that is 25% of the class one Ehlers-Danlos is six. 3%. 6% of the general population.

Kim Pittis:
Don't you think that. There's going to be way more of this now. It's Mast Cell, right? All these cases are coming up. We're talking about it. We're getting better at diagnosing it. I think that 25 is probably more representative of the entire population.

Dr. Carol:
Maybe I think maybe it's missed a lot because they go looking for the gene. And for example, I had a patient who came to a court to be treated and then came to Portland for two weeks. But she's a medical physician. And she had an auto accident or two auto accidents. And she's had rhizomes and seplocks and epidurals and P.T and PRP and all this stuff. And she's still in chronic pain. And when she came to the core. Was after Portland, I think. Anyway, when she came to the core, she brought her daughter, had her daughter since her daughter lived locally in Chicago came and the daughter said, Can you do anything about this? And she took her thumb and bent it back to her elbow and took her. And I went you've got our Ehlers-Danlos. That's genetic. And I looked at my patient and said, Can you do that? And she grabbed her forearm and pulled it up five inches, took her neck and pulled it out. Four inches. Had all nine Beighton points. And then 23 years as an auto accident, chronic pain patient, No one had ever checked her. So she didn't have Ehlers-Danlos. But she did, and that was before I'd done the Ehlers-Danlos webinar. And that's before I knew to check. So now every chronic neck patient comes in. And I said, Would you do me a favor and put your hand on the desk and lift your little finger? And if it goes to 90 degrees, we do the whole thing. So I'm going to do the Ehlers-Danlos webinar as a presentation at the Advanced.

Kim Pittis:
I think thats a great idea because a lot of people learn better in person and they even though the webinar is available, it's just while you're there. I think it's an important talk to give for people who.

Dr. Carol:
Watch webinar live. Why would you go in and look for it on the webinar section of the website, the Advanced, you don't have any choice. You got to do it.

Kim Pittis:
You have to do it. Now I think that's a great idea. Leif says Great lecture lesson. Ben and Dave played well off each other. Why separate them? Exactly. It's like the Dave and Ben Show. Exactly. There is another question. I think it was in the chat. Something about hypertension, I think. Oh yeah, a lot of factors with hypertension. Do we have any suggestions?

Dr. Carol:
There's we have one practitioner that says that there's one weird frequency. I think it's weird because I've never used it. One weird frequency on the West Indies list. I think we're on the advanced list for hypertension. It's something weird on Channel A. Like 1-0 something on Channel A and then the kidney, the heart. Those two on channel B. He had very good luck with that. But when you look at hypertension, it's so multifactorial. It's kidney. It's vascular tone. It's how stiff are your blood vessels? And I used to sell beta blockers to reduce blood pressure because it reduces the rate and the force of contraction of the heart. You could treat the heart, you could treat the sympathetics, you could treat the Vagus you could. So the answer is no. Actually, wait. There is one thing. And it's not an FSM thing. Absolutely every single patient in the last 22 years. That has been on more than one blood pressure medication. So if it takes two or three blood pressure medications to control their blood pressure, 100% of the time, they have sleep apnea. There have been no exceptions. So order a sleep study, get them a CPAP and their blood pressure goes down and it takes just one medication. So that's why we use a watch pad in the office. So. There's that.

Kim Pittis:
One more question. Would you use 81/10 for leg cramps or?… So Many women complain of them.

Dr. Carol:
Georges would have leg cramps all the time at night and we would run 81/10 and get rid of them. He would also take a Chinese botanical called MU543 from Pro Botanics and potassium is the other thing. So if I get cramps at night, I don't run 81/10. I'll take two potassium and twp MU543 and go back to bed.

Kim Pittis:
Oh he's shredding magnesium oil.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah. On the legs.

Kim Pittis:
And then 155/33. Is that your hypertension frequency? Maybe.

Dr. Carol:
I have no idea. Okay, Literally, I don't. It's. It'outside my skill set. Bring me your scarred ureter and your psoas spasm. Bring me your neck and disc. Do not bring me your hypertension because it's outside of my skill set.

Kim Pittis:
Speaking of scarring, I promised I was emailed a question and I was like, I'm not going to answer it. I want to talk about it on the podcast because if you have it, somebody else has it and I think we've talked about it, but I could be wrong. So the question was not all scar tissue is created equal. And that was a great subject line because it got me to click on it before the other ones that actually. Skip the line, skip the cue with that one. Good job. And he's right. And he's talking about scarring that comes from slicing during surgery, scarring that comes from tearing, scarring that comes from a burn. They're all the same as far as yes, it's a scar is defined as repair that is not linear. It's a disastrous sort of bundle. And we do have a lot of scarring frequencies. And I do think some are better than the other. But I'll let you tackle that. Or do you want me to?

Dr. Carol:
I think for me, as I use for all of them. The place where you need to think a little bit differently about it is scarring and what tissue? And then sclerosis in the adipose so especially a superficial scar where there's like literally somebody chopped into his arm with a whatever and it's scarred down to the bone. What tissues here. Skin is not a thing. Fascia and other tissue is stuck to the periosteum, is stuck to the blood supply. The muscle torn and broken in the tendon. And connective tissue scarring and the connective tissue. And you can help both. Last but not least, the thing that gets the ditch out is sclerosis in the adipose, 397. Yeah, and it's not all created equal, but in my world, it all starts with 13/77 scarring in the connective tissue.

Kim Pittis:
I think that's for me, for sure. That's where I always start. And he was bringing up options like 91 and 51 and. Yeah, I made that face, too. I never. I don't think I've ever had a patient where I'm like, I start with 91, which is like the hardening calcium. I will always start with 13. And you do you follow the tissue down and in and around and don't just stop at connective tissue because there's fascia and vessels periosteum, muscular tenderness, junctions, ligature, even the joint surface and the capsule and the bursa. I had this bursa thing that happened. I was talking my way through, as I normally do with patients, and it was like, Oh, what is that? I'm like, Oh, it's Trochanter, Bursa. Why is that pissed off? It doesn't happen from outer space. So yes, you have to treat the bursa, but you have to always remember why the Bursa is irritated. It's from friction. That's why Bursa was created. Why is there friction? So yes, you treat the bursa, but it's a means to the end like you have to.

Dr. Carol:
It's treating the bursa for inflammation without treating the bursa for scarring is like bailing out a boat while you're still shooting holes on the bottom of it.

Kim Pittis:
Exactly. So I typically just do drive-bys on bursa's because yes, you have to address it, but it's irritated for a reason. It's never just the bursa.

Dr. Carol:
And the mind-boggling thing is I'm working on somebody's pelvis. This week was, there's 18 bursas in the pelvis and hip. Excuse me? Nine in the shoulder, 13 in the knee, 18 in the pelvis. And David Musnick taught me about the pelvis and hip. And then he sent me a picture because if you think about all of the muscles, every place there is tendon that attaches to the periosteum. Or a tendon that crosses another tendon. There's a bursa.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And. So there's 18 of them in the pelvis. And who knew? Did you knew that?

Kim Pittis:
I probably did. But then it was like, who cares? Because I never treated them and like you had to be aware of them and you poke them. And now, yeah, there's a bursa there, but I'm going to treat the muscle instead. But it's never the muscle. It's never the bursa. Tell that to a manual therapist. I'm going to start filming people's faces who come to the sports course, especially because they're like super muscle centric there as a trainer or manual therapist. And my opening line should actually be, Guess what, guys? It's never the muscle. They're going to want to leave. But then by the end of the day, you figure out, Oh, you're right. It didn't ever just get there because a muscle never just gets tight.

Dr. Carol:
And that's why we finally got to the place where we do the Supine Surgical Practicum. And it was wonderful in Ireland because we had. What did we have in Ireland. 25-26 trained manual therapists from National Training Center. And you have John Sharkey, the fashionista of all fashionistas, Right? So these practitioners know what to do with their hands. And they know how to follow directions because they've taken courses from John Sharkey. They're sitting there and said, Don't move your fingers, and you run torn and broken. You run. quiet the accessory nerve. And the upper trap just disappears and you watch the look on their face. And then torn and broken and the ligaments and the lateral sub-occipitals disappear. Scarring and the dura and the rectus capitis posterior minor go smooshy. Then you treat the facets and those muscles go smooshy. And then you treat the discs and those muscles go smooshy. Is there anybody here now who thinks it's the muscle? Did we do anything for the muscle? And they knew not to move their fingers.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
No scrubby circles, no mashing. No hard work. Why? The muscle is cranked.

Kim Pittis:
My ending. Quote It's 4:00.

Dr. Carol:
Did you get to the rest of your list?

Kim Pittis:
No, I never get to the rest of my list. I have good intentions. Every Wednesday is to bring a list with me. This one.

Dr. Carol:
For you.

Kim Pittis:
This quote should have gone on last week's podcast, but it's coming on this week. I found it today. So I've been reading a little bit about stoicism. Don't ask. So. Epictetus. Epictetus. Epictetus was one of the Stoics.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah. I got into somebody with a minor in philosophy.

Kim Pittis:
Okay.

Dr. Carol:
So I'm with you.

Kim Pittis:
Okay, so this quote jumped out, and we have to put it on a slide. I think for the midbrain. This is like a 40/89 quote.

Dr. Carol:
Okay.

Kim Pittis:
So Epictetus said, it's not things that upset us, it's our opinions about things. So I just had it's only Wednesday, but I've had the front part of my week has been loaded with patients whose opinions about their therapy has driven them pretty much into collision after collision with what they were doing before. And then more myopically, like we talk. You even say that, Oh, your amygdala has an opinion about this or your glutamate has an opinion about this. So I thought this was just very McMakin.

Dr. Carol:
And there's always two parts to pain. One is it actually hurts and the other is how much you mind it.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
And which may also include how much of an opinion do you have about it? You never want to discount or minimize how difficult somebody's life is because they're in pain. Right? But I spent three days working in a burn unit. After that, there is nothing. I have no complaints and we work in hospitals and I worked at Cleveland Clinic Pediatric Rehab. And it's I understand you're in pain and it's really obnoxious and it gets in your way. And in my head, I'm thinking you can breathe without a ventilator. You can swallow your own spit. Your esophagus is not scarred, shut. You can blink. You can talk. You look at all of the things that you can do? And it's what you create, that what you focus on. Say that thing again about the opinion.

Kim Pittis:
Don't remember all these things. There's only so much bandwidth in my little brain. It's not the things that upset us. It's our opinions about things so hard. Hard lesson to learn sometimes, because I am pretty reactive little person and I like to have an opinion or like to get upset and get reactive, but slowing it down and I get to slow down and talk to you for an entire hour once a week.

Dr. Carol:
Isn't it really fun?

Kim Pittis:
I love it.

Dr. Carol:
So excited we get to do the Oh, are we going to get to do the podcast from Phenix? We're going to have.

Kim Pittis:
To move it. Yes, it will be right after the Sports Course, the one week that I'll be there, because.

Dr. Carol:
That Wednesday when we're both there.

Kim Pittis:
Yep.

Dr. Carol:
We'll have to move it up an hour so you can finish your course at 4:00 maybe? So we'll do that to you at 6:00. Oh, Kevin says we'll just do it at 6:00.

Kim Pittis:
Or we'll figure it out. Yes. Because Live from Phenix was so much fun last year.

Dr. Carol:
So much fun.

Kim Pittis:
Yes. The live studio audience. It was great.

Dr. Carol:
Yes.

Kim Pittis:
As always. See you. See you next week. Bye, everybody.

Kevin:
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