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Kevin:
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Kim Pittis:
Hey.

Dr. Carol:
I did it!

Kim Pittis:
Hey. We're here.

Dr. Carol:
You're here.

Kim Pittis:
And 30 other people are here.

Dr. Carol:
Hi, guys. I am talking to you from a Holiday Inn at the Oakland airport.

Kim Pittis:
We're so close.

Dr. Carol:
Literally as I'm going to sleep at 10:00 last night, I almost thought I could go rent a car and drive to Sacramento.

Kim Pittis:
Where in Sacramento?

Dr. Carol:
Which hotel are you in?

Kim Pittis:
No, I'm in Livermore. I live there.

Dr. Carol:
Livermore. That's right. It's up that way.

Kim Pittis:
But it's so funny that you say that because I had to go rescue a child in Sacramento. Because my kids were on the East Coast and because of the weather, everything was crazy. And so instead of flying one into Oakland, we got her sent to Sacramento, which was better than nothing. But that's still an hour and a half up the road from me.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah, and then I left Saigon at 7:30 in the morning. 30 some odd hours ago, flew 6 hours to Tokyo, 9 hours from Tokyo to San Francisco. And then it was just supposed to be go to the desk, go through immigration, check your bags, get on a plane and go to Portland. Except Portland had snow and an ice storm after the snow.

Kim Pittis:
And not helpful for planes.

Dr. Carol:
No. And then they're so silly about passenger safety and not sliding off the runway on slick ice and killing everybody. So as I get up this morning at 6:00 to be at the airport at 7:00 for a 9:30 flight, I thought I should check my text messages. And there it was. You can get home on this same flight tomorrow. Here I am.

Kim Pittis:
You just needed an extra day to decompress and be in a hotel safe and with no responsibilities.

Dr. Carol:
Yep. And with bartender in the sports bar who knew Bill Romanowski? They have Raiders posters everywhere. This is Oakland. And so I said, dude, you've got these five shirts up here, where's Ramos? And he said, yeah, he was so cool. And I said, yeah, his name is Billy.

Kim Pittis:
So funny.

Dr. Carol:
It was pretty fun. So here I am.

Kim Pittis:
I missed you. We've been like.

Dr. Carol:
Weeks.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah. It's been.

Dr. Carol:
It's bad. That's why I almost drove to Livermore. Yes,

Kim Pittis:
It's funny because I'm not supposed to be here. I'm supposed to be on the East Coast right now. But my flights got canceled two days ago, and so the earliest I could get out is tomorrow, which means I got to see all my patients today that I'm not going to see. So anyways, it all worked out and I got to race home and here we are.

Dr. Carol:
There we go. This is cool. And I have this cool little lamp instead of the nice lights that Kevin has. Let's see.

Kim Pittis:
It looks great. Your camera looks great. The sound looks great. We're doing well.

Dr. Carol:
Yay! Yeah, I know the ice is like a thing. And there we go. Yeah.

Kim Pittis:
So it's funny that you're segueing us so organically into talking about ice, because I was thinking about I did a list like a Year in Review for our podcast Moving Forward. Some things I wanted to like. I think it's important on New Year's Eve or on the days towards the end of the year to take an inventory. What went well? What didn't? What do you want to change for next year? What do you want to amplify? That worked really well and you want more of. And the podcast is always something that brings me so much joy that we get to selfishly connect, you and I, but then just share stories and the people that we get to bring on and that have reached out. And it's just it feels so expansive.

Dr. Carol:
And the feedback for the podcast always surprises me because people, patients and practitioners and for practitioners, this is their continuing ed. They. Oh yeah, you and Kim said this. And so we did that and it really worked. And now I think about this differently. And patients, it's fascinating. Do we start this two years ago?

Kim Pittis:
It must have been, right. It was during Covid because you and I were going crazy without seeing patients and traveling and teaching.

Dr. Carol:
And that's the front desk. Hang on, You guys talk.

Kim Pittis:
I saw a comment just now about somebody getting the master of change. I'm glad you enjoyed it because I love that book so much. There was a comment when I had Peter Twist on, he's one of my favorite people. Like I said, way back when, this is over 20 years ago when I was a brand new up-and-coming therapist and trainer, trying to squeak my way into professional sports, taking ART courses, Peter Twist was training the best of the best in the NHL, and it was a very male dominant world. And it still is or it's slow to bring female trainers and therapists in, but he always treated me like such an equal and such a colleague, and gave me so much confidence that I absolutely could do what I was doing. And so again, I'm going to segue back to what we were talking about with the podcast and the positive feedback. It's about building safety, right? You and I have always been, that's always been the big word, right? Like, you want to make sure that FSM is safe and it's continuing to grow in safe parameters. And I've taken that to heart when I'm teaching with the sports course. But then Peter and I were talking about the safety that happens and the trust that happens with an FSM treatment. And he doesn't do FSM, but he does training. And him and I have talked a lot about the person that you are caring for at a foundational level has to feel safe.

Dr. Carol:
And I'm going to add, if I get to add, in the class, the practitioners have to feel safe.

Kim Pittis:
Yes.

Dr. Carol:
So when we do the the circle demonstration, where we do different frequencies, instead of insisting that everybody feels something with the frequency, we explain that there's a bell-shaped curve. There's 20% of you who aren't going to feel anything. 20% of you that are going to want to lay down and take a nap. And there's 60% who are going to create an environment where nobody's wrong.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And so out of a class of 30, 3 people raised their hand and say they don't feel anything. And I said, three of you are lying, where are the other three of you that don't feel anything? And they sheepishly raised their hand. And it's okay. Now the bell-shaped curve is preserved. And the same thing with patients.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
I have this. Okay. I have arthritis in my thumb. Okay. Does the sensation here feel the same as the sensation here? No, this is way sharper. I said, let's pretend that you don't have arthritis in your thumb, because this patient is completely committed to having arthritis in their thumb, the joints completely normal. What if this was the C6 nerve root? And let's just try this. Wrap around the neck, wrap around the thumb. And in 10 minutes they don't have arthritis in their thumb. And it's nobody gets it wrong. It just got to be there.

Kim Pittis:
Which is so nice. Just so new.

Dr. Carol:
That's so cool of Peter to do that for you.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah, he's he's been amazing. I'm going to be talking a lot about Peter Twist of course with the sports course, because one of the big questions I get asked is for continuing education for therapists and trainers and Peter's, since Covid, he was also grounded and couldn't treat athletes. So he did this brand new online module for continuing education that is phenomenal. And he has a facial training course that is between John Sharkey and Peter Twist has changed the way I think about tissue, and I've always respected biomechanics, and I've respected the fascia until it was never the fascia, the connective tissue, and it was everything else. But there's still, especially when we're doing exercise rehabilitation. The fascia has been a huge component of not just elasticity, that was the sheet that we would cut away during gross anatomy labs. And now you're just like, so learning how fascia can create strength, how it's innovated, the speed at which it travels. So he's just been a plethora of information for me to learn

Dr. Carol:
My challenge with fascia and John Sharkey's especially is the changes we get with fascia by treating the nerve.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
I've never met a fashionista who isn't dedicated to the fascia being independent. Fascia is fascia, and the fact that when fascia is… so nerves travel in a fascia-nerve-fascia sandwich.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And if there is an adhesion in between the nerve and the fascia that restricts motion.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
You can do anything you want to in the fascia. And the cerebellum is going to choose to protect that nerve,

Kim Pittis:
100%.

Dr. Carol:
Best way to relax the fascia is to treat scarring in the nerve in my world.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah, mine too.

Dr. Carol:
Okay, good.

Kim Pittis:
Peter seems to understand that. I think the only way to really drive that point home, especially for the people, I don't like putting people in boxes or oversimplifying it, but I'm going to say it a lot of physical therapists, sports-type chiropractors, personal trainers are very kinesthetic learners. You can tell them whatever you want, you can read whatever they want, but until they see it and or experience it, they're not going to understand it. So that is why I don't like doing the sports course online anymore, because people need to touch it, experience it, move with it, do all the things and then they understand it. So if it was just the fascia, was this universal blanket in which everything is enveloped in, that's a beautiful concept. But then we would only need one frequency on the B channel.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah, and.

Kim Pittis:
Doesn't work like that.

Dr. Carol:
In the Core now, finally, it occurred to me that we need to do, we are doing the supine cervical practicum three times in two days because that is the one practicum where you hold your hands still.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And 40/94 is the only thing that turns the upper trapezius to pudding. 40/396 is the only thing that turns the splenius and the levator to pudding And its kinesthetic learning. So we have auditory learners. We have visual learners. I talk, you talk. We have slides. Mine are really content dense because they're going to have to go back and review them but the practicums are essential because why would you believe ever that 40/94 quiet the accessory nerve is going to turn the upper trapezius to pudding so you can feel the lateral obliques, which are your object. That is the tension headache. That and the C2-C3 facet is why your patient has had a headache for six years. But in order to get to those, you have to relax the overlying muscles, upper trapezius, the splenius, the levator, then treat the facet and treat scarring in the dura to relax the RCP minor and all of a sudden range of motion in the neck is free I have to confess and I'm going to really annoy probably you and Peter and John, because at the very end of the supine cervical practicum, the neck muscles are putting,the patients are Gumby. And I said, now just to make sure we haven't missed anything, let's do hardening in the fascia. Nothing happens. There is nothing left of the fascia by the time you treat the underlying drivers that make the fascia tight.

Kim Pittis:
100%.

Dr. Carol:
And then they do increase secretions in the fascia and the muscle, you use the word fluff.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
It gets softer. Just when you thought it couldn't be any softer, it gets softer. So increasing secretions in the fascia does something.

Kim Pittis:
Totally.

Dr. Carol:
And it's it's just magic.

Kim Pittis:
Yes.

Dr. Carol:
And you have to learn it with your fingers. Otherwise, why would you believe it?

Kim Pittis:
You have to learn it with your fingers, and then you have to move through it yourself, because you don't realize how restrictive your motion can be until it's not restrictive anymore. So, I'm going to piggyback on what you were saying, because to me, it's been the biggest game changer. And it only took me, I don't know how many years to really understand this concept, but you will never rip a nerve that is adhered You will never do that.

Dr. Carol:
Is not going to let you.

Kim Pittis:
That is a hard stop. That will never happen. So while treating the fascia is great in theory, and I will honestly say I always treat the fascia, It is always on no matter what I am treating, whether I am increasing secretions to it, vitality to it, taking out scar tissue, torn and broken in it. There is something that is always being run. However, like you were saying, it's we have to think more about the cause. How did we get in this situation?

Dr. Carol:
It's the drivers, I think like a pain management specialist.

Kim Pittis:
Totally.

Dr. Carol:
Something driving the fascia to protect, right? An area it's not tight just from space.

Kim Pittis:
Right. And so just because it's innervated and it's conduction travel 700 miles faster than brain nerve muscle. Brain nerve fascia is 700mph. Brain nerve muscle is 175mph, so we're traveling at a rate 700 times faster when we're treating the fascia. But it didn't get like that from outer space. It is reactive to something and it could be reactive to a dietary intolerance. It could be reactive to stress. It could be reactive to a virus. So again yes, it's the fascia. It's always the fascia but it's not always the fascia.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah. I had a, friend from Germany that was in Saigon, in Vietnam, with me. And the night before I left, she said, my back is so tight right here. And she pointed to her diaphragm and I went, and you're going to remember this because I did the same thing to you. And I said, have you ever fallen on your back? Kidney infection, no kidney infection. But oh yeah, I fell on my back all the time, off a bicycle, off a horse, off of this. I said, okay, so come to my room. And I did her psoas, her kidney, the kidney fat pad on both sides and scarring in the fascia. And she could breathe and the tightness. Oh, there was another thing she tell, Yes, I had an MRI and she has disc bulges at 6, 7, and 8. And she said I'm always tight. And she pressed right here under her sternum. Now you'd think that would be the esophagus or the bronchi, but I had an MRI. And I ran torn and broken in the disc annulus. What is driving this area to be not only tight, but painful when I press here? There's a driver.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
Thanks to her for having an MRI, I ran torn and broken in the disc annulus and quiet the nerve. Everything became pain-free. She could take a deep breath, scarring in the nerve. Take a deep breath. This didn't hurt anymore. It was soft. And I gave her exercises for discs and treat the disc. And I said, the good news is the psoas will never come back. So that's done. And there's always a driver.

Kim Pittis:
There's always a driver. And we are reactive beings, right? We are always reacting to something. So I'm going to bring up another term and the person who just read the book that I had talked about a couple of podcasts ago called The Master of Change. We need to embrace change, right? Things are always changing. We can never expect things to be the same. This could be like big or this could be small. So one of the greatest, I would say failures that I have is if I treat a patient and they're like, I don't feel any different, or they come back and they're like, it's back to where it was. It's the same, right? That is the four-letter word that starts with S. That's just we want change. I would sooner make somebody "worse" than have no change. Because as things change, as things evolve, things can get worse. But it's always temporary. It's always reacting to something else. And when you know if something has been scarred and held in place, I always use the shoulder as the example, because any time I've made somebody worse, it's typically the shoulder. There's some sort of laxity there that you took out the scarring that was holding the shoulder together.

Kim Pittis:
It feels loose. There's laxity, increased pain. There you go. Easy to fix. So there's a term in this book, Master of Change, that really hit home, and I'm making a slide for it now for the sports Advanced called Allostasis. So we've all heard of like homeostasis Homeostasis is you've got hHappiness, right? Stability. You've got a stable, nice environment, and then you get out of homeostasis with stress, infection, something and then you return to homeostasis. Allostasis talks about is you have a happy, stable state, then you have stress, but then you have and you don't go back to homeostasis. You go back to a new state. So there is stability in the changed state. And this is what I am after. I, as a therapist with FSM in my tool belt, I am after allostasis. I am all about having this new tissue, this new arm, this new hip, this new something, having positive feedback to say it's not the way it was before it tore, but it's safe and it's strong and you're going to be just fine, if not better.

Dr. Carol:
In order to change, you have to feel safe, right, to make that step forward. And for me, the solution for that is to fix the cause.

Kim Pittis:
Yes.

Dr. Carol:
I've never met anybody that doesn't change. Well, actually 1 or 2 that don't change at all. But if it changes for a little bit and then goes back to the way it was, it's because I missed what the cause was.

Kim Pittis:
Yes. Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
It's allostasis the ability to be flexible, to be able to miss your flight, pick up the kid, for me, grab the extra six hours of sleep that I haven't had in three days and I haven't read the book. The book I read was Notes on Complexity, It takes Newtonian physics, quantum physics and metaphysics and shows how complexity is inevitable. And responding to complexity is the way that the world works. I'll read the Master of Change if you'll struggle through. It's a small book, but it was like eating a gourmet meal where it was so delicious. You'd read 25 pages and then put it down. And savor it for a while and then pick it up and then didn't want to finish it. And now that I've finished it I'm sorry. It's at home and I'm stuck in Oakland, no offense to Oakland, but I'm in Oakland and I wish it was here so I could,.

Kim Pittis:
Yes. Bring it to Arizona.

Dr. Carol:
I will, I can't believe, no, Arizona is coming soon.

Kim Pittis:
It is coming soon. And the sports course and Sports Advance are sold out as of today. So, if people are listening to this, get on a waitlist because things always happen where people can't come last minute. So just get on the waitlist and it'll be fun. But yeah, we're bursting at the seams so well.

Dr. Carol:
And for those of you who think you've seen the Advanced somehow this year, maybe it's because of what you were talking about for, I really miss you. maybe it's what you were talking about. New Year's Eve. I was asleep in Cozumel. yeah. On vacation. But it occurred to me that if the purpose of the Advanced is to teach people how to think, I'm in the process of completely rewriting it. Like completely how it's always been. This is a list of frequencies Yeah. No, we're not going to do it that way this year because that's not how we roll. It's how do you think about it when what you're after is a deeper solution? That brings you to from. Okay. Homeostasis. I'm in pain. I'm a fatigued. I have brain fog. I don't feel well. Your heart's still beating. You're alive. That is homeostasis. When you apply FSM prescriptions to change the mold and do the things to correct the base of the problem, you get out of homeostasis. There are sometimes uncomfortable stages with that. You have allostasis where you're changing and then you end up in a different place. It's teaching how to do that process. It sounds like we both arrived at by different pathways, I know.

Kim Pittis:
And that's so cool when that happens. And that's the other thing that is so great about FSM and how so many different practitioners from different backgrounds can use it because there are different pathways depending on your background and where you're starting point is, and it's not wrong, it's just different how we see in view and treat the body. And it can be so collaborative. It's all like your intent behind the treatment, right?

Dr. Carol:
And you're willing, your intent but good intentions will not save you from your ignorance. So, when you have arthritis in your thumbs and you're not aware that C6 is your thumb, so it's your willingness to look for the truth.

Kim Pittis:
Right. There was a quote in the book. Well, what book was it? Read so many books lately. It was. Look for what and nobody else can or something like that. And I think that's really almost like the tagline with FSM, you're aware of so much more. So many more possibilities could be affecting the tissue than how you're trained. And that goes for anywhere from an MD to an acupuncturist to a veterinarian. Like we all have these different podiums that we're standing on. But now with FSM, we're able to think outside of the box and you're open to possibilities. And I think as long as you're a practitioner, that's open to possibilities. You are head and shoulders better than most of your peers.

Dr. Carol:
There's another movie called National Treasure, and he finds a pair of glasses that have different kinds of lenses that let him see directions or letters on the back of a map. And that's what FSM is like to me. For any other profession, any of us in our training or even lack of training? any of us, why would you think about fixing the sense of smell from long Covid by running the frequencies for six viruses in the capillaries, the ethmoid sinus and the cortex? Why would you think of that?

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
For pain in the thumb, you did inject that joint because that's where it hurts. Without FSM, even MD's rarely think that this pain in your thumb is from your neck.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
We have a lens that lets us look, that Know lets us, but makes us in order to be successful. If you hate the word, its the same. It gives us a lens that lets us look beneath what everybody else sees and sees something else. So reading through the Core and reading through the Advanced as I'm sorry, Kevin, I've completely rewriting it is there's think again.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
Create a hypothesis. If that hypothesis doesn't work. If it's not virus, okay? It's not toxicity. It's not scarring. I treated my friend and unbeknownst to me, although I've known her for 15 years, she has Ehlers-Danlos and she has three disc herniations in her neck and her right leg is she says, oh, it's really tight on his left leg at her hip.

Dr. Carol:
And I said, bend your finger. And she bent it, and she bent her thumb. And I run 124/77. And her hip pain she's had it worked on by MDs, PTs, massage therapist and it's 124/77 because she has Ehlers-Danlos, pain in her right knee.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
She's 81/10 increased secretions in the spinal cord because the disc bulges on the left, makes her right leg tight. So, she has pain on the medial side, in the back, on her right knee. I ran 81/10. The leg softened up. 81/10 increased descending inhibition to make the muscle softer, then torn and broken in the connective tissue. Where in the world? I don't care what profession you're in. I don't care if you're Twist. I don't care if you're Sharkey. there's no place where you think in those connections. It may take you a while. And some mileage, took 200,000 mistakes before I could put it together so fast. It changed instantly. It's the lens that lets us see because we have a tool.

Kim Pittis:
That is like a perfect analogy for it. I do want to get to see make sure we get these questions and comments identified before any much, much more time goes by.

Dr. Carol:
Yes, it's just, Neil Theiss' Notes on Complexity. It's brilliant. Oh okay. Master of Change is on audible. Thank you, Denise.

Kim Pittis:
Hey. Are you looking at the chat Q&A? Where are you?

Dr. Carol:
Q&A just says sorry about the runways. The runways in Hawaii are closed because of cracks on the runway. Oh, and Leif says ice is always the way for Portland. Yes. Oh, and it's so beautiful. That's the reason I was sorry I couldn't get home. I love freezing rain. It's so gorgeous. It's just beautiful. It's clear. It coats like each leaf on the rosemary plant.

Kim Pittis:
Yes,

Dr. Carol:
Coated in sparkles and crystal clear.

Kim Pittis:
What a nice way of looking at that.

Dr. Carol:
Oh, it's gorgeous. And you just don't go walking on the lawn and expect not to fall on your butt.

Kim Pittis:
Dana has a question. What would be the flow chart for a ring finger sprain, where the end goal is to get back to the same ring size?

Dr. Carol:
Torn and broken in the ligaments, the tendons and the challenges that there's a Bursa. So on your ring finger, this ring finger here. The problem you think is here, but it's usually here. There's Bursa here and your finger just below. So if you get out Netter and you look at the round tendon that goes under. And you'll get a thickening in the tendon sheath just below the crosspiece here and here, and it bends just slightly. If you look at my fingers, I'm 77. They're not straight. And it's because I have little bulges here. The real solution is to buy the next size ring, because reality is as you get older. I used to wear a size seven ring. Now I wear a size ten. That is what you call Life. It's called life. It just is. Even if you got thinner, if you lost the 10 pounds you gained since you were 27. Your ring size would not change because your joints get bigger. Because you've done more with them. I got the ganglion cyst gone, I got my fingers straighter and my ring size is still a 10. You take it to a jeweler and for about $50, depending on how much more, you just get a larger ring, that's all. And then, yes,If it hurts, you can get rid of the pain. But I'm not sure that we can get the joint back to the same size. It was really interesting when I was in Asia. There's a company that has an over-the-counter device that we developed, and they asked me to provide 25 now 35 protocols that are safe for non-medical people to use. And when they got up in the stage and described the process of how we came up with this, the first thing she said was no. And then they asked me again and I said, no, you you have to know why. And she said, well, okay, we have to do this. So I thought and the feedback I got back from patients have no medical training whatsoever was just extraordinary what they've been able to do with it. And there's something about I've never been to that portion of it, actually never been to Asia beyond Taiwan. But there's an enthusiasm that goes with the culture and an appreciation. They're ecstatic with 10% to 20% improvement. Where in the West, if it's not 100% better? We didn't do anything right. So that was so rewarding. What we do with FSM in Western world is wonderful with training practitioners and teaching them how to help patients, and there are some things that simply can't be done the simple way.

Dr. Carol:
You have to have a more complex thought process behind it, but to make it available to a consumer that has very little medical knowledge. There's when was it Saturday night? Sunday, I think I even posted on Facebook. It was like my heart was just full. Every place I went in the hotel, I was just mobbed by six people, 12 people and all thanking me and tears running down because now their mom could walk and their son could sleep through the night because he runs skin healing. it's a non-medical device. So it also has to be skin harmony because you can't heal anything. It's harmony and balance and we're working on the energetic field, blah, blah, blah. But she says he'll come to her at night and ask for skin harmony because then his skin doesn't itch and he can sleep. And then I say, you also have to work on his digestive system. And she just nodded and went, I'll just run skin harmony because that's fine. So FSM practitioners are able to take it to the next step. It's just I take for granted what we've created, all of us.

Dr. Carol:
And it's that's the other thing. It's what the frequencies do and the whole FSM community is creating our future. We have a paper. Karen Perry is presenting a paper at the Advanced on Saturday afternoon, and Candace Elliott is a co-author and she wrote a paper on using the frequency for ankylosis or oxalates in breast tissue.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
And I would never have thought of it. I treated my own breast, but I treated for fibrosis and scarring. I didn't use 217. But the reviewer. So she took a type three breast. I think the numbers are right. Type three to type two. Type three has 50% greater risk of breast cancer than type two, dense breasts because oxalates are inflammatory. So the reviewer I've written ten papers. I've never read a review like this. The reviewer was exuberant about the potential for this to change breast cancer risk for millions of patients. Because what one practitioner wrote and published in an online journal is now in the literature and mentions FSM by name. And it was I would never have thought of it. It was the practitioner that did it. And we all of us are co-creating the future for FSM.

Kim Pittis:
Yes. All of that.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah. And again, it's putting information out there in the safe way. And you digesting it and using critical thinking and your scope of practice and how you can apply it for betterment, right? Like that is my sort of tagline. I'm in the business of betterment I just want people to move and move safely. And when you're moving safely, that's when the potential and the trajectory is just limitless.

Dr. Carol:
Checking in for a flight at the desk at Portland Airport, the lady said, so why are you going to Vietnam? I'm developed a way of treating nerve and muscle pain using frequencies that are resurrected for the 1920s. And she said, you treat nerve pain. Yeah we do. Yeah, I could use that. It's universally applicable.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
It's it's just ah. And scope of practice. Karen Perry is a DC. It's not her scope of practice to prevent breast cancer but it is her scope of practice to treat fascia.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And that's all she was doing.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And it was the reviewer who said that was going on. All she was doing was changing tissue that's in her scope.

Kim Pittis:
And when you break it down like that, like I had a patient last week who feels that they were over-adjusted and getting the advice to come every day. The potential could be there. And high-velocity manipulations. The potential could be there for her to feel worse after all these adjustments is what I'm getting at.

Dr. Carol:
I love the word potential. The reality is it's inevitable.

Kim Pittis:
Say that as a chiropractor, I'll let you say that.

Dr. Carol:
It's, yes.

Kim Pittis:
When the patient is on the table and is rigid and stiff and is holding everything so tight because they are anticipating a high-velocity manipulation, that is creating this cascade of pain and splinting and tightness. And I ask, can I just put my hands here? And I'm going at a snail's pace. And that is the one beautiful thing that I have learned as an FSM practitioner, is to embrace the slowness of a treatment, because you're not forcing anything. You are listening with your hands and you're waiting and you're moving. And this has to be applicable to in the exercise rehabilitation component I'm going to make now that I'm saying this out loud, I'm going to make a slide about this for the sports Advanced is you have to work at the patient's pace. So if they're like this on the table, I am going to wait until they're like, got their shoulders out of their ears and they're relaxed and they're making eye contact with me, and then I'm going to be able to go in and go slow. Is that it? Is it on? Is this all you're doing? Why aren't you doing this? And it was just like, yeah, I'm just going to wait. What are you waiting for? The tissue to relax. And it will. Oh.

Dr. Carol:
And then they're waiting for the pain and they're waiting for the trauma.

Kim Pittis:
Exactly. And it's funny that you say that because it was running trauma in the fascia that initially just let everything go, and then that felt safe. And then I could get in deeper and then move. And then all of a sudden there was like a pop in the shoulder. And then she sat up and there was a pop, and she was just like, that was like an adjustment. And I'm just like, no, that's just when the tissue relaxes, you have to trust that your body is going to know what to do. So I think that's just an important part too, for the practitioners that are listening, is you may have an agenda as a therapist or as a trainer, but it's not your agenda that you have to pay attention to. It's the patient and what's happening in real time. A couple of more questions, and then I have to race back to the clinic, so I can't go too far over for one of the questions was Oh, there's two here, actually.

Dr. Carol:
Okay.

Kim Pittis:
Do you think it's true that automobile injuries are less severe in passengers or drunks/Relaxed/don't see it coming. You don't think so?

Dr. Carol:
Absolutely not. Yeah, but in one way, maybe. So. It'll protect the fascia. But when you see it coming, you can use, so I use the headrest. So you put your head back against the headrest and use the muscles to protect the underlying tissues.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
When the superficial muscles are relaxed, the discs and the ligaments there all you have. So I understand the theory.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
But because I deal in generators are usually discs and ligaments.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah. No. So you had to face that said no it's I believe the.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah. And again just I've especially when I was practicing in Canada I saw a ton of motor vehicle collision victims. And yeah, I do get why people say that because people are like, oh, it was you'll hear about the drunk driver not getting injured at all and the people that he hit. So I'm not sure that it's that simplistic to say. I think sometimes people who get rear-ended and do see it coming do have a tendency to get tight in anticipation of the collision happening. So you'll see them. But I'm not sure if that injury. It's hard to say if that was going to be any worse than if they were looking on their phone and then got hit, so it's an impossible. I do understand the concept, like you said? Because I do think the superficial muscle splint, the fascia gets tight to support, but who knows if that would be any less severe or if the drunk driver is like loose and that's why he didn't get injured. There could be physics about how the collision happened. There's there's too many variables, I think, and that's only because I'm looking at it from having to deal with court cases to deal with that and how attorneys break down all that stuff. So yeah, hard to say really, but I understand the concept. I was getting treatment last week for my hip. That's still not 100% better because of other things. And I was in so much pain getting treatment. And it was from like an old school type of therapist that treats a lot of people and is supposed to be very good. But all I could think of in my head was, this isn't safe. And because what? You can't unthink it or you can't unsee it and you can't unfeel it. So I just felt everything on a superficial level, tightening up the deeper somebody was forcing their fist into my tissue, the more I could feel the tension and I couldn't get into a relaxed state. I couldn't get the buy-in that this was going to help me, and that also sabotaged the treatment. So again, going back to having that, you talked about it at the last Advanced that kind of relationship that happens, that intimacy that happens with an FSM treatment, that safety that they feel and the confidence that you bring as a therapist. So there is more than just the manual therapy, there's more than just the frequencies there is all of that happens in the room.

Dr. Carol:
A major word that just came is listening. You listen with your fingers, you listen with your ears. You listen with your ears to the history.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And then and you put the history together with the physical exam and you form a hypothesis, then you have to listen with your fingers. If you do something that makes the muscles splint, you have immediate feedback that you're doing something wrong.

Kim Pittis:
Yes.

Dr. Carol:
It says, yeah, no, don't do it. Not right.

Kim Pittis:
No. And it's not a panic. You just remove your hands. Just stop for a second.

Dr. Carol:
Wait.

Kim Pittis:
Wait. Recalibrate. Try something else. Have a communication. How does that feel? What do you think right now? How are you feeling? This is what I feel.

Dr. Carol:
You don't do it verbally because they can't explain in any way. So the number of times I've written wait in capital letters, I can't tell you. She wait with your fingers and then you go back and try again and see if you can go farther. But you listen with your fingers because the patient can't tell you with words. There are no words, that particular muscle is getting tighter. And it's coming from the, meniscus.

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
There are no words. They have no idea.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
And says Aaoo, Aaoo works. But your fingers will feel if you wait. And you listen with your fingers.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
This will feel.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
Touch this. What could be causing it.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
It's a joint capsule. But what makes the joint capsule tight? What's below the joint capsule?

Kim Pittis:
Right.

Dr. Carol:
Cartilage. And then the meniscus. So you mascus, you try cartilage and you listen to what the fascia and the superficial tissue. You wait and you listen with your fingers. And it will tell you what to do next.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
It worked. It helped, but it's not finished.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
Okay. What's left? Periosteum because you feel with you. You wait, you feel. My fingers are on the periosteum. When I push on the periosteum, the tissue gets tighter. Listen. Tighter. Listen. Periosteum. I have a number for that. Right?

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
It's the same concept.

Kim Pittis:
It is.

Dr. Carol:
Wait and listen.

Kim Pittis:
My little beeper went off here. That goes off at 59 so that we do our housekeeping before we run out of time. So please head over to practitioners listing. Please head over to the website frequencyspecific.comm. Sign up for the Advanced because it's going to be epic this year.

Dr. Carol:
A Jay Shah is coming and so is Julianna mortensen, because this is the first time that FSM has been 3 day. And if you count Rob De Martino, it's actually four day.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
It's a combination Advanced and Symposium. We've never had Jay Shah come as part of the Advanced or Julianna mortensen come for the Advanced.

Kim Pittis:
Yeah.

Dr. Carol:
So it's. Yeah, it's going to be magic.

Kim Pittis:
I'm going to end. So the quote I have is from Peter Twist today, and I think it's just such a great mantra for the new year and moving forward. So on his website, on his educational things, one of the mantras he has is "today I will give everything I have, what I keep inside, I lose forever."

Kim Pittis:
And I think that's just such a beautiful summary of how we've created the podcast. Sharing and not keeping everything inside, not keeping these like secrets, sharing and collaborating. And that to me, that's like how the real growth, organic growth of what we do is how it's getting out there.

Dr. Carol:
And there's another saying that matches that, and that is "you can only keep what you give away."

Kim Pittis:
Yes.

Dr. Carol:
You only keep what you give away. Yeah. Makes us more generous.

Kim Pittis:
Yes. It's a good thing.

Dr. Carol:
Yeah, I think so.

Kim Pittis:
I'm glad it worked. We even coordinated our outfits today and everything. So it's funny when that happened.

Dr. Carol:
We did. That's cool.

Kim Pittis:
Neckline and everything. So safe travels tomorrow. I will be on the flight three hours before you leaving Oakland.

Dr. Carol:
Travels before. You're leaving at 6 a.m.

Kim Pittis:
I have a 6 a.m. flight tomorrow. Yes.

Dr. Carol:
Okay.

Kim Pittis:
Yes, I will be there and we will see everybody next week. Thanks for coming.

Dr. Carol:
Bye. Do good things.

Kevin:
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