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Dr. Carol:
There you are.
Kim Pittis:
I’m here.
Dr. Carol:
Hi.
Kim Pittis:
Hi. Yay! It’s Wednesday.
Dr. Carol:
It is. It’s my favorite day.
Kim Pittis:
I don’t care what, however long it’s been, 100 and whatever episodes a year and a half. I am still as excited Wednesday morning today as I was, like 100 episodes ago.
Dr. Carol:
How is that? How does that happen?
Kim Pittis:
I’m not sure. I don’t know how we haven’t run out of things to talk about yet, It’s like that.
Kim Pittis:
What did Kevin just say?
Dr. Carol:
Kevin said. Oh, good. I was afraid she was tired of it.
Kim Pittis:
Oh, my gosh. Never. It’s just so funny because it’s like when you’re newly dating somebody and you’re just you’re excited and there’s always stuff to talk about. And then after a while, you get into that zone where you’re comfortable. But, like, I feel like we’re still on like, the newly dating like, this is still exciting.
Dr. Carol:
That’s because I only see you once a week. Maybe that’s. Is that the key?
Kim Pittis:
That could be it.
Dr. Carol:
Do you have a quote to start before I derail the train?
Kim Pittis:
I do. I have an idea. But we always circumvent everything back, so I’m not sure if this is paraphrased or not. This is a Hippocrates quote. It’s not new. However, it feels very fitting for apropos for this past ten days.
“Before you heal someone, ask him if he’s willing to give up the things that make him sick.”
Dr. Carol:
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And then the challenge becomes when they arrive and they’ve already given up all the things that they think are making them sick.
Kim Pittis:
And then because I literally had patients on both ends of the spectrum, one who is willing to give up nothing and one who has done everything asked of them, and nobody can figure this out.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. And when they’ve already done, the giving up stuff, they repair their emotional relationships, they eliminate gluten, milk, all the common allergens. They go for walks. They have good sleep hygiene. They’ve done all that and that’s my favorite part because then you can say with a straight face, you’ve already done all the hard work. All I have to do is get you out of pain. And they look at you like one of those dogs looking at the television, Huh? And then you run 40/10. Subacute facets. Supine cervical practicum, concussion in Vagus. And it’s done. Is it going to last? I’ll see you in two days, and we’ll find out. Probably, not the first time, but it’s never going to be as bad as it was when you walked in the door, right? Okay. And you already did what it took to create the stable state that makes my job that much easier.
Kim Pittis:
I’m jsut going to interrupt before you go any further, because we have these starting points and everybody comes in at a different starting point, regardless if it’s a new patient or somebody you’ve been seeing for ten years, you never really know who’s walking in the door when you see them. So, sometimes the challenge is to bring down the emotional component before you can even lay hands on somebody. My athletes, my CEOs, they come in and it’s just get in your body. Like what? I’m going to borrow that one from you. I’ve stolen a lot of things from you, and they’re just like.
Dr. Carol:
28 and 38.
Kim Pittis:
Let’s just get you inside yourself and then we can have a conversation of where you’re at right now. Because so many people, I’ve noticed are never really present. They’re way ahead in the future or they’re way in the past.
Dr. Carol:
And there’s another phrase that you can borrow. You ready?
Kim Pittis:
Yes.
Dr. Carol:
You have to have a special credit card to borrow that kind of trouble. From the future because they’re are now they’re scared, reasonable, and then sometimes they just tumble forward into a dystopian, disastrous, what if Future.
Kim Pittis:
Yes.
Dr. Carol:
And it’s none of that.
Kim Pittis:
Would you in the clinic this week because Monday and Tuesday, that is exactly what I was dealing with, this is never going to get better. I’m never going to feel the same. And it was just projection after projection. And I had to thank goodness they were athletes so I could use my long training or an analogy. I said I never walk out the door thinking how far 10 or 15 miles is. I’m just going mile by mile. And right now, today, we are going hour by hour and then, we’re going to check in tomorrow. That is it. 24 hour increments.
Dr. Carol:
Yep. And sometimes even shorter than that.
Kim Pittis:
Sure. But it’s so hard though. And I get it. I haven’t had chronic pain, so I don’t know.
Dr. Carol:
Oh, I have. Which makes it easier, I can say, with a completely straight face. Nerve pain absolutely sucks. And they go, What? Oh, yeah. I’ve never had knock on wood full… yeah, I have actually. I have been a 40/10 and an 81/10 patient. But not for years because I knew what it was as soon as it hit and I knew what to do.
Kim Pittis:
I guess I should clarify chronic pain.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. So one is just an average new patient I saw yesterday, sent by a friend and she says they’ve diagnosed me with fibromyalgia and she circles all the points and she complains about anxiety. Well, that makes sense. And not dizziness. And so I have my little algometer, and I tested the tender points. She had all 18 tender to 2 and 2 to 4 pounds per square inch pressure. And the objective diagnosis for fibromyalgia that indicated central sensitization was 11/18 tendered to less than 4 pounds per square inch pressure. She had all 18. And okay, so in my head was like, she’s just a 40/10. But she’d had endometriosis. They told her she had myometriosis where the endometrium had grown into her uterus. So, they did a hysterectomy. She still has wicked abdominal pain and low back pain as a result of that. So, she said, “Yeah, I think they said I might have endometriosis.” Okay. But I can’t touch her belly until I get her body pain down and the central sensitization down. So she’s got 4 appointments. So now she’s 71 or 73. And I did her patellar reflexes. And they are +3. By the time you’re 65, your patellar reflex should be a +1 and you should not have an Achilles reflex.
Kim Pittis:
Can you explain the plus just for the lay people?
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. So reflexes are graded, +2 is when they hit, let’s say your knee with the little hammer and your foot goes out about that far; +1 it goes. So it’s just less than that. It’s just a little twitch. It’s not regular twitch. And a +3 is, wango. It goes out; +3 with crossing it goes the one you just hit goes way out. And the other one, does that, too at the same time; +4 is it goes out and it doesn’t stop. It just keeps popping.
Kim Pittis:
Right.
Dr. Carol:
So she had hyperactive reflexes and the one thing I remember from geriatrics was that at the age of 65, you should not have an Achilles reflex at all. If you have one that’s abnormal. She’s 73. She has an Achilles reflex and she has a +3 hyperactive patellar reflex, which means something’s not right in her neck. No auto accidents but she spent ten years as a labor and delivery nurse, moving beds, lifting 300-pound women on to the bed, from the gurney to the delivery table. So, she had a lot of lifting trauma, which will cause a disc bulge. No one has done a reflexes ever. She’s a Kaiser patient. No one has done a sensory exam. No one has done an x-ray, much less an MRI of her neck. And then she said, Oh, and I have so much trouble reading. I used to love to read and now, I can’t read. I’m anxious all the time. I’m this, I’m that. I’m going. So is part of the physical exam. I do the Vestibular screen, put a tuning fork in the middle of her forehead. I only hear it in this ear. Don’t hear in both…? No just this year. Air condition aversive on the aiwee, what was that? Aversive on the left? Which means that and she has tinnitus.
Dr. Carol:
Normal on this side. And then horizontal fields of gaze, she’s super psychotic out and in, in both eyes. Wow. Are you sure you’ve never had an auto accident? No. Ever had a head injury? Oh, yeah. Two years ago. I slipped on the ice and fell backwards and hit the back of my head on the ice. Now that you mention it, that is when I stopped being able to read. She had cataract things that she blamed anyway. So, she’s a 40/10 patient. So inflammation in the spinal cord. She has full-body pain, and I need to be able to touch her. Can’t touch her. And her pain level is a six. So run that, ran concussion in Vagus. And then I set up a separate machine hooked up from her neck to her abdomen. First running 40/44. Quiet the inner ear. Because just testing fields of gaze put her into an anxiety attack and made her nauseous. She sobbed through the first 20-30 minutes, especially as the endorphins went up. She started crying more. I just need to quiet down. So quiet the midbrain, quiet the inner ear. And then she started shivering as her endorphins went up. So I ran quiet the sympathetics to turn down the shivering.
Dr. Carol:
So at the end of about 75-80 minutes, her pain level is gone. Somebody told her that the fact that she couldn’t move her hands, she had arthritis. She had one knuckle that was a little bit big. She had pain here in her thumb and all of the practitioners that are listening, if you have pain in your thumb, what is it? C6. So, I treated her for nerve pain. And then because she still had trouble making a fist, before we finished, I took the washcloth off of her abdomen and put it on her chest. And I ran quiet the nerves. And then hardening in the joint capsule 217 and the joint capsule and the periosteum and had her grab the washcloth. Right hand, make little scrunchie things left hand, make little scrunchie things. Oh, that’s easier. But oh, this hurts now.
Dr. Carol:
For the practitioners listening. This is bending our fingers. The nerves, she was hypersensitive in her whole hand. So the nerves run clear down to the end of your fingers. If you bend your finger what are you doing to the nerves? You’re stretching them, right? So, the last touch, the sprinkles on the top of the cupcake were scarring in the nerves. Squish the washcloth. I can move my hands.
Dr. Carol:
It doesn’t hurt to stand up. And this is for glasses. And it’s really easy for me to demonstrate because when I have my glasses off, I have Meniere’s in my right ear. So, if I look straight into the camera, you’ll see that my left eye goes straight ahead and my right eye bends inward about 5-7 degrees. I put my glasses on and my right eye gets straight. And I did that for her. And she said. Really? Yeah. The prisms will change the way the light hits your eyes, and you’re going to be able to read again. Okay. And then you tell them. It’s going to last anyplace between two hours and two weeks. No way to tell. When it comes back, it’s not going to be any worse, but you’re going to mind it more because it was gone. And if it worked this time, there will never be a time when it doesn’t work. Or if it worked this time, it will always work. And it’s okay if you don’t believe me. And that was it. It was just like the classic 40/10 patient, fibromyalgia patient with vagus nerve dysfunction, central sensitization, and an inner ear injury. All thrown in the mix and it’s all in the Core.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah, I was just going to say, and this is like the basic stuff, which is crazy because it sounds very advanced, but this is a slam dunk for us.
Dr. Carol:
And for those of you who are Core students who found the core painful, this is why the core is five days. I don’t know how to send you home with nothing to give this patient
Kim Pittis:
And you were treating the straight up 40/10 fibromyalgia patient forever but adding in the Vestibular screen, adding in the vagus nerve, that’s what closes the case on this so much faster because you would get so much improvement with just 40/10 but then this other little pieces.
Dr. Carol:
But she’d still be having an anxiety attack because we did fields of gaze and she’s still super centrally sensitized. So I did 40/89 quiet the midbrain by itself for 20 minutes. You know, I did the inner ear.
Kim Pittis:
It’s funny, I was redoing slides last week and I feel very careless redoing slides because it means the course has evolved to the point where you have to change things. And I like that change is good, right? There’s that saying, What’s the four-letter word that starts with an “S” in therapy? Same.
Dr. Carol:
Oh.
Kim Pittis:
It’s not the swear word, but you never want to hear. Same, right? You never want to hear no change like I’ll take…
Dr. Carol:
Oh, you make worse way.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah, absolutely. I’ll take that a hundred times over no change. So I was doing redoing the motor patterning stuff because it started with the whole wipe and load started at 40/84, 40/92. It doesn’t work without 40/89. I have tried to take shortcuts. It doesn’t work. The midbrain has to be on board with the new changes. You have to have a patient that feels safe to move.
Dr. Carol:
And it’s non-negotiable. So if there’s one slide in the Advanced that says follow the spark and you go peripheral nerve, spinal cord, Medulla, the little branch to the cerebellum, but then everything ascending and descending from everywhere. Sensory cortex, visual cortex, sensory motor cortex. Everything from everywhere goes through the hippocampus, through the midbrain, through the limbic system before it gets down to the body or up to the rest of the brain, everywhere. And the limbic system does not negotiate and it never forgets. And it doesn’t negotiate. And then I love your phrase. It just needs to take a nap. It just we just need to give it a little rescue remedy, a little camomile. And it smells some lavender. It’s going to be fine. No, really, it is 40/89. And after about 10-15, depending on how long, how young they were when they were abused, how much trauma they had, what’s happened between then and now, either around this injury or just in their life?
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
And you run 40/89 for as long as you need to. And in this case, we also ran TTH, tendency to have bad stuff happen. And he had a belief system that made TTH make sense.
Kim Pittis:
Gotcha.
Dr. Carol:
But it was. Oh. And at the end of 70 or 90 minutes, she’s all fine. I’ll see her on Thursday. And it was easy.
Kim Pittis:
That’s great that you can say that.
Dr. Carol:
It’s weird that we can say that.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
It’s totally weird. I have an even weirder one, but I’ll save it.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah, I want to spin backwards a little bit with circling back to my quote about. and you’ve always said this too, like you can’t want it more than the patient. And I don’t like really live in that world because of the athletes they are chomping at the bit to get better. So I absolutely sometimes you’re the cheerleader and sometimes your job is to pull back on the reins because you still need to be respectful of healing. We always want to make sure healing is going in the right direction, but it’s hard when somebody is in an 810 in pain and then you bring it down to a 1 and they want to absolutely do everything. And I had this conversation with this patient who had so much anxiety around the improvement because they’re like, It feels better. I have to go. I have to go clean my house and I have to do this and I have to wash my car and I have to take the dog for a walk. And I’m just like, no, no. And so I go, I get it. You want to take advantage of the fact that you’re not in pain, but this is not a party trick. Have the same conversation that you say, Since we made such and I’ll use different verbiage, I’ll say we made a good dent in the pain today. I’m really confident if we brought the pain down that much after one treatment, we’re going to continue to have results. But doing too much too soon is going to undo everything.
Dr. Carol:
And I always warn people, I’m a teacher. So you’re going to find out why you have this and what it means and what we’re going to do to fix it. So somebody comes in with hand and arm pain and 40/10 and you press along the anterior, you do the reflexes. They’re wonky, I think is the technical medical term. And they don’t have a cervical MRI, but you press along there and you find the 5-6 and the 6-7 disc bulge and their pains are 1. Yay! Now I can go. It said. No, no. You have a sprained ankle in your neck. In order to keep this and that gone, we have to let this disc heal. Amazing concept. Nobody ever talked to them about why they had hand and body pain. And here’s the thing with the sprained ankle in your neck. So how else would you describe a disc bulge to somebody? It’s not a herniation.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Babinski is negative. She still has upper reflexes. It’s not surgical. It’s just pain. Just pain. Anyway.
Dr. Carol:
Here’s how you’re going to do that. When you lift something up, it pushes down on that disk. And if you think of the disk as a jelly donut with the annulus as the donut and the jelly being the biologic equivalent of battery acid. If you lift things, it’s going to squish the jelly back out towards the little hole in the donut that’s making your hands and your body hurt. Okay. So. That means you don’t lift anything more. That weighs more than a gallon of milk and when you lift a gallon of milk, you keep your elbow at your side. You get close to it. You pick it up, you bring it to your chest, you take it to the counter, you put it down all with your elbow. But I have to lift. No, I have the magic word. It’s not that you can’t because people don’t want to can’t? It’s not that you can’t. It’s that you’re not allowed. I am not allowed to mop the floor, wash the windows, vacuum the rug. Bad idea. I am not allowed to lift my two-year-old. I cannot bend over and do Mommy. I can squat down. Have him come to your chest. Put your arms around him. Keep your neck straight. Stand up. Take him someplace. Sit him on a chair. You are not allowed to. You’re not allowed. And it’s like any sprained ankle. If we treat it twice a week for 4 to 6 weeks. And if you behave yourself. If we don’t break it again. Sprained ankles heal in six weeks. It’s not that long and the magic phrase to anyone who cares is I’m not allowed. Oh, so you give them power? You put them in a comfort zone that you create by giving them details about what’s wrong? What’s causing what? How do they keep from breaking it again? So, the patient that is allergic or sensitive to gluten and has joint pain or IBS Or even Crohn’s, but IBS and won’t stop eating wheat. It’s here’s the thing. It’s hard to bail out a boat while somebody’s still shooting holes in the bottom of it. So you get to pick.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah. And that kind of goes with what our theme is. And I think for patients, this isn’t about trying to blame anybody for not wanting to be better, but there are definite parts of the onion that all of us are reluctant to change. Again, going back to the athletes that are listening, they’re indoctrinated with the how bad do you want it? And they’re willing to. We talk about Joel all the time, our Olympic swimmer, who when you realize it was gluten that was… There were a lot of things that you helped me figure out with Joel because I was still very, it’s the muscle back then.
Dr. Carol:
But they’ve also been taught more pain is more gain.
Kim Pittis:
Absolutely. So this is like, how bad do you want it? It’s just they grind through it. And to borrow a phrase from one of my patients, who’s a psychologist, he talks about blowing through stop signs. And that’s exactly what it is. They’re so fixated on getting to this endpoint of and who knows what that endpoint is. They’re just in for a good reasons. They’re willing to make changes. But again, they’re also willing to ignore things because they just think it’s part of the equation. And it’s not necessarily just for athletes. Right? There’s a lot of patients that are just like, Oh, I thought it was just part of that. I just thought it was part of this, no.
Dr. Carol:
When nobody’s ever talked to them. So when you look at the Core, 50% of it, if you look at the slides, there’s 1076 slides in the Core. 400 or 500 of them are diagnosis or history. And sometimes it’s just nobody ever told them that this caused that.
Kim Pittis:
Right.
Dr. Carol:
Wait, you mean lifting my two-year-old and mopping the floor and vacuuming? Yeah. My arms always hurt more after I vacuum, but nobody ever told me why. Okay. and that was the thing that you said. That fell out of my brain. They blow through stop signs.
Kim Pittis:
It can be a good thing or a bad thing because they’re just so used to the no pain, no gain. Yeah, it was funny. I had a total 40/89, almost an objective measure for somebody who had a big history of shoulder trauma, dislocations, tears and has the quintessential anterior bicipital pain.
Dr. Carol:
Right.
Kim Pittis:
And is so confused that I’m treating subscap and and they’re just like, I don’t get it because it doesn’t hurt there until your thumb is in there. I’m like, exactly. Because when we hurt our shoulder and I’m explaining, we bring everything in things adaptively shorten and scar, I’m explaining scapulohumeral rhythm that the humerus cannot physically abduct without the scapula rotating
Dr. Carol:
I swear it probably started with the subscap to begin with.
Kim Pittis:
Yes. And this is exactly I don’t know how you do that. You get into my brain and then you say it about 30s before I’m about to say it.
Dr. Carol:
It’s how we roll. Has there ever been a time when that didn’t happen?
Kim Pittis:
No.
Dr. Carol:
And it’s so cool when we treat people together. And you can do that. But anyways, yes, to your point, when again, talking about the shoulder, the asymmetries that tend to happen because of the subscap being adhered first, which is why the shoulder got so injured or dislocated or tore because that scapula couldn’t move to begin with.
Dr. Carol:
Exactly.
Kim Pittis:
So as we’re taking apart the scar tissue, easy peasy lemon squeezy, and we’re in the part where we’re doing the exercise reeducation, there’s almost like atrophy on that shoulder because they are so afraid to move it. And you can see when that patient is out of pain and they’re going through their range and their eyes get really wide and they stop where they used to stop and they pause. And it’s so funny. So, as a practitioner, I’m like saying, Can you go a bit further now? I’m like, Oh yeah, I can, because they’re just so used to stopping where they were safe to stop. They would stop a few degrees before the pain would start. So, it’s really interesting to see it in real-time and then running 40/89. Let’s try it again. Run 40/89. And they’re just like, no hesitation. Exactly. It’s amazing.
Dr. Carol:
How fast it works is just mind-boggling.
Kim Pittis:
It is.
Dr. Carol:
So this is from the Advanced. So for those of you that haven’t done the Advanced yet, I’m really sorry, but this was fascinating. And it talks to mileage. So 7-8 years ago when I was I spent a couple of days at Cleveland Clinic. We had a girl who had a PONS stroke. Now, when you look up the PONS, I still have to look up in my neurology book and see what it says. But she had a PONS stroke. Now the PONS is where the facial nerve and the trigeminal nerve come from. Right. That’s from the PONS. And this girl and her palm stroke. Her hands were like this and she was completely spastic, like rigid. Okay. And I ran 81 in the PONS, increased secretions in the PONS. Her hand open up. The shoulders relaxed, the PT was able to gently range her shoulders. Basically clear down to our laps. They were able to range of motion. Okay, so that’s the mileage part. I did that one time. And we know that the trigeminal nerve comes out of the POTS. Those are the two data points. The patient came in on Monday. His history was I got Covid vaccine in my left arm. And immediately after the vaccine, the side of my face went numb. Okay. Everybody who’s been to the Advanced. What is the trigeminal nerve do? It’s sensation to this part of your face. In his case, it was only the lower two branches. Okay. That means there might be something going on in the spinal cord, but over the next 3 to 6 months, his body and his hands got stiffer and stiffer. And he says when he wakes up in the morning. He looks like the girl at Cleveland Clinic. His hands are like this. His arms are like this. And when he walks in, he’s 61. Very athletic. No medication. No medical issues. No nothing. The healthiest adult human I know. And he walks. There’s pain in his hips, his knees, his shoulders, his elbows. The muscle tone is normal. So when you squeeze his quads and his adductors, I was looking for 81/10, increase descending inhibition. Muscle tone is all normal. Pain in his right hip, big complaint. Range of motion in the right hip external rotation, internal rotation, flexion, completely perfect. There’s nothing wrong with the joint, palpation push as hard as I can. Nothing wrong with the Bursa. And he walks like he’s about 90. Okay. We have frequencies for those six viruses.
Dr. Carol:
We have frequencies for the toxins, the disinfectants, that they use in the two vaccines that he got, the polyethylene glycol, the frequency for toxicity. Left side of his face. Right side of his body and that’s never mind. But that makes sense because of where those fibers cross in the brain stem. So, I ran the frequencies for the virus and the toxins in the pons and it worked. It used to be an investigational frequency until the stroke girl. And then the little I came off.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
So he walked completely normally. It lasted until the next morning. And then, he came in to see me the day after that. And we did it again. Same result. When it came back, it wasn’t as bad. And he said, I’ve had it for 2 years. And it’s been getting progressively worse. So, maybe it’s going to take some time. But he already took himself off gluten and he said, I’m really bummed because it helped. But to be able to manipulate the nervous system like that, that’s that’s nuts. And I did 40/10 and 81/10 at this also. Because I just hooked him up neck to feet just in case. Don’t think I did the viruses in the court, but I might have to do that because it’s part of that pathway.
Kim Pittis:
And again, it’s always going one step backwards, forwards, it’s going one step, some direction and figuring out, well, why did it get like this in the first place? Because it’s one thing to just identify what’s happening and where it’s happening, right? What is happening and the tissue pathology, tissue.
Dr. Carol:
And we got lucky because the minute that he got the vaccine.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Side of his face went numb. First, he had this bad, funny taste in his mouth. That would have been the polyethylene glycol and then his face went numb. And then over six months.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
The contractures happened, so that was a good clue. That was the starting point is the answer is always in the history. And the left side of his face was still numb when we started. And at the end of the treatment, it was mostly better. And that helped. So, there was patchy numbness in this branch of the trigeminal nerve. This was normal and then after the second treatment, they were both normal.
Kim Pittis:
Interesting you say that. I found that historically numbness when it improves in that first treatment stays improved. I have all these magic markers that I draw on people all the time. The washable ones that kids use. I use it for landmarking. I’ll use it for taping after. I just love showing patients like what’s happening. So when it comes to numbness, like I’ll circle it and then treat it for a little while and then do the pinwheel, do the sensory, do whatever, and oh wow, it shrunk. Redo that circle so they can actually see it going down. But I’ve found, like I said, historically, once it goes down to a certain level, it’s not like they come back two days later and it goes back to that. It’s it stays in that in that area.
Dr. Carol:
Something we do between the frequencies and the current something we do changes the nervous system or the nerve itself?
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Permanently?
Kim Pittis:
Yeah, I know. You’re so tentative of saying that, but that’s just what it does seem to.
Dr. Carol:
You can’t throw out the data because it doesn’t match your model.
Kim Pittis:
For good or for bad. We have a couple of questions. I don’t want to forget about them. The first one says Fred has been recommended gallbladder removal surgery, allopathic diagnosis in December. A red flag is going up for me, recalling stories of domino effects from this sort of procedure. Is this something where FSM can help?
Dr. Carol:
In December, so you’ve got a couple of months to work on this. You can try. My family has a history of gallbladder disease, and they used to sell bile salts. So my understanding of gallstones may or may not be correct, but it’s a imbalance between bile salts and cholesterol. And it makes stones. So use the frequencies for gallstones. That’s in the Core, way back in the visceral part that I blow past because you’re not going to remember it anyway. You work on the gallstones. The one thing to be careful of is if the gallbladder is infected or if it has parasites. Because what we do to relieve the pain is inflammation, congestion, then work on the gallstones. If you can get the gallstone to dissolve and I can’t remember. There’s that thing they do with lemons and then oil and whatever. Let’s not do that one because if the gall stones are big enough and you drink, the last part of that procedure is drinking olive oil and you cause the gallbladder to have this big contraction, there’s that doesn’t go well. That moves the surgery up from December to tomorrow night. And so you can treat it. I had my gallbladder out. It’s no big deal if it’s done right. My guy did an open procedure instead of laparoscopic. The laparoscopic ones can be problematic. There’s less recovery because you only have these two little things. But I had a patient that had a 5-cm gallstone that filled the gallbladder. And the surgeon went in and took it out laparoscopically anyway and ripped the common bile duct and tore the fascia off the bottom of the liver. So that was a mess. Minimize fat and look up what you do to dissolve gallstones. I just use digestive enzymes with bile salts in them. Do you know anything about that?
Kim Pittis:
No. I’ve only treated people who have had their gallbladder removed. And that was one of my case studies many years ago, was dissolving the adhesions and they were having the metal reaction to the clips. So lots you can do post-surgical if that’s the way that they go as well. So yeah there’s that. Notice that a friend has psoriatic arthritis and is taking same medication that a guy has recommended for my son’s Crohn’s disease. Humira, which I believe is a TANF blocker, does FSM block TANF in the same way?
Dr. Carol:
We have data that says 40/10 reduces TNF alpha by a factor of 10 or 20 times. Humira, I can’t remember if it’s antibodies to TNF, but it’s an immune suppressant. So that’s how it’s being used in Crohn’s is to suppress the immune system. Psoriatic arthritis, the same way. In my world, if they weren’t on Humira already, you’d turn on the Vagus. In Crohn’s disease, you check them for gluten-sensitive genes, HLA-DQB1, 2, 3, 4, 5. and treat the belly. And then try and avoid the Humira. But that ship sailed. The challenge that we have with all of the immune suppressants is the incidence is that you need TNF alpha and interleukin-1. Right. So, when you read the package insert for Humira or any of the immune suppressants. The patients are “more susceptible” cancer and infection. I’ve treated a lot of transplant patients and patients who are on immunosuppressants. And you can turn on the Vagus. Yes. You don’t treat the immune system because it is not normal. Let’s just stay out of it. You can treat the gut. You can treat the skin. FSM is not a substitute for Humira. At least I am not comfortable saying that in something simple like psoriatic arthritis and Crohn’s depending on how severe the Crohn’s was, what started it? Was it a parasite? Was it food? Was it food poisoning. Where did it actually come from? I have to go back in time. That’s not like treating a transplant patient. They don’t use Humira in transplant patients. Transplant patients are a different class of immune suppressants. That’s it really depends on the patient’s willingness to read the package insert. The patient can come to you with a desire and say, I want to get off this drug. Can you help me? If they say that, you have a path forward and the patient is driving the bus and you are just filling the tank and putting air in the tires
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. So that’s a complicated question.
Kim Pittis:
Let’s read it out loud. You reading Carry’s?
Speaker2:
Yes. New client coming in with crunchy, low back and neck. No fooling. Severe burns over 94% of the body when a teenager, working on her neck and back. What can I run in the background besides the usuals? Okay, fine. Carry, the thing is when you say severe burns, I’m thinking full-thickness burns over 94% of the body. So concussion in Vagus for sure. And central sensitization probably but the body stiffness. So the burn patients we’ve treated, FSM has worked effectively for full-thickness burns to increased range of motion, have not successfully or did not successfully deal with the phantom limb pain from the nerves that were destroyed in the skin. Some of the body pain that’s caused by the nerves, cutaneous nerves that were burned, that’s like phantom limb pain in your skin. So, I would try 40/89 instead of 40/10. And. There’s the kind of rigid tape, not the stretchy tape, not the Kinesio tape, but they call it rock tape.
Kim Pittis:
No, rock tape is stretchy, the non stretchy stuff.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. Okay. That’s what their skin is doing and so the motion in the muscles, in the low back, the abdomen, the neck are completely inhibited. Working on the neck and the low back is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Makes you feel better, but it’s not going to change the outcome. So if that patient walked in, you can run, in the background, neck pain, low back pain, unattended, and then start on the skin in the neck, skin in the abdomen, skin in the back We actually used the 58 back when I did the study in 2003. But 13/77, 13 in the connective tissue, the basement membrane, 13 in the skin, 13 in the blood supply, scarring and the blood supply and sclerosis in the adipose. So, the subcutaneous fat gets crisp.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah
Dr. Carol:
And then for the body pain, try 40/89 and see if that works. Because back then, I didn’t know anything about phantom limb pain. So what you’re going to be running in the background is.
Kim Pittis:
40/89.
Dr. Carol:
40/89 and neck pain and low back pain. Those on CustomCare’s and then your manual work is all on the skin and it’s at least twice a week for six weeks. When you take it apart. It won’t come back. That’s the good news. But so we have data that says that and Elf, I think is talking about gallstones, orthophosphoric acid. Okay. What he said?
Kim Pittis:
If small stones.
Dr. Carol:
If the stones are small. If they’re big and you can use that in conjunction with FSM.
Kim Pittis:
And there’s another comment he wrote at the bottom saying, you are correct that the gallbladder flush. It should cause stones to clog up into the duct and elicit emergency surgery.
Dr. Carol:
Thank you. Oh, yeah. It’s like, bad. It’s bad.
Kim Pittis:
Louise had a comment. It sounds like she was using the converter.
Dr. Carol:
Converter.
Kim Pittis:
The telephone line. So that kind of reminds me of what the converter looks like. She’s going to start using wet towels now. Confused how to attach the large alligator clips onto towels? Bumblebee would be on one towel and your Christmas tree would be on the other. That’s right.
Dr. Carol:
And the other thing, Louise, is just order a new set for the converter. Contact PDI and they’ll talk to reset and see if they can get you a replacement set. You can’t just order off of Amazon. It’s not a phone connection. It’s wider. It’s like an Ethernet cable. I think right?
Kevin:
Which one?
Kim Pittis:
Converter.
Dr. Carol:
It’s not a phone Jack. It’s wider.
Kevin:
Yeah, I think it is an Ethernet.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah, I think it’s wider.
Kevin:
No, they’re not.
Dr. Carol:
The original ones were like phone connectors. The new blue ones are wider on the new units.
Kevin:
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
So, it depends on what your converter looks like, if it’s a little black one, it is phone cords, but you should still go through PDI and they’ll contact reset and see if they can get you a replacement leads. That’s not unusual. Okay.
Kim Pittis:
Oh, one more on the bottom. Patient with bilateral kidney transplant. All kidneys are still there, but disconnected from blood supply. Any frequencies to avoid complains of joint pain and stiffness, has one knee replacement, easily fatigued. No other exotic symptoms or complaints.
Dr. Carol:
Okay. The other thing is find out what immune suppressants they’re on. So it’ll be cyclosporin or something that starts with a T and something starts with an M because I just had a kidney transplant patient. They do leave the old kidneys there. They’re not disconnected from the blood supply. They’re disconnected from the ureters. They don’t just leave rotting kidneys in your body. Thank God. Frequencies to avoid is you just don’t do anything to the immune system. Joint pain, stiffness, easily fatigued. Look up the side effects of the immune suppressants that they’re on. My guy. His hands were cold and the immune suppressant that he’s on cyclosporin and it leads to a peripheral neuropathy that isn’t pain. It was tingling, but it feels cold. The physical temperature when you measured, you know, with the temperature gun back of his arm, back of his hand was actually warmer. The tips of his fingers were five degrees colder. And cyclosporin reduces interleukin-one. And there’s actually an article on how it is that it affects the small blood vessels constricts them. Without doing it by affecting so it doesn’t affect the sympathetic nerves. But there’s something about that drug that made his hands cold.
Dr. Carol:
I worked on him for five days in a row. Helped his low back pain, helped his neck, did all that. But you don’t get to vote when you have a transplant patient. You don’t treat the immune system. That’s a given. The best thing I did for him, he came in with his pain and then ache in his low back. Oh, my God. He said, Here, let me show you. And he dropped his drawers and he’s got shingles at S2. Lay down and then we’ll talk. So, we started treating him right away. And because he’s on an immune suppression. I had him call his doctor and get on Acyclovir because he’s on an immune suppressant. They are much more susceptible to infections. So, we treated his low back and his neck and I treated the capillaries in his fingers. But honestly, I need to have an in-depth conversation with a pharmacist. So if there’s any pharmacists listening, call me to find out how it is that reducing interleukin-one causes vasoconstriction not mediated by the sympathetic nervous system in the fingers and toes.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah, it’s very interesting.
Dr. Carol:
And I read the paper, and I’m pretty good at reading papers.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Complete Greek.
Kim Pittis:
Wow.
Dr. Carol:
I understood the words.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Individually, but the sentences. Mhm.
Kim Pittis:
Nope. My alarms going off. This is crazy. You are not here next week or you are? Is you’re already traveling.
Dr. Carol:
When do we leave?
Speaker 3:
We are in next week.
Dr. Carol:
I think we leave on Thursday. So we will be here on the 11th. Okay. We leave on the 12th and then we’re gone. We arrive home at 1:00 in the afternoon on the 14th. My body will be here on the 15th. My brain will be someplace over the Pacific. And I’ll show up and do the best I can.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah. You know, I will have all the nuggets for you anyways. You’ll just have to follow my breadcrumbs.
Dr. Carol:
Well, we’ll stay in touch.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah, of course. But you’re here next week anyways, so we have some more questions and comments and stuff, but we’ll pick that up next week. We had some emailed, so that was on my list.
Dr. Carol:
Oh wait, there is. Yikes.
Kim Pittis:
Do you want to get one quickly or we can. I took a screenshot so we can save it for next week too.
Dr. Carol:
No. Knee replacements.
Kim Pittis:
All right. We’ll pick that up next week.
Dr. Carol:
Okay. Yeah, let’s do that one next week.
Kim Pittis:
Is one that we can actually dig into a little bit.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. Okay, then.
Kim Pittis:
Perfect. We’ll see you same time, same place next week. Thanks, everybody.
Dr. Carol:
Bye.
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