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Dr. Carol:
There she is. Hi.
Kim Pittis:
It’s Wednesday.
Dr. Carol:
My favorite day.
Kim Pittis:
Look at your flowers.
Dr. Carol:
I decided that it’s like you always have cool stuff in the background, so I should put this in the line of sight. We’re going to move the trash can out of the way. Kevin? Kevin. Really? The trash can. There we go. We’re getting ready for Phenix. So everybody is packing and buying things and packing things. And so when I went to the. So this is my last Wednesday morning off of work to go to the grocery store. And they had these flowers. And it’s one of those happenstances when your favorite colors just show up. And then this has been down on my desk downstairs. And I thought, Kim has her LEAP Award and her Symposium award. So I should put this there. At least in the line of sight.
Kim Pittis:
Yes, Ruth is at my clinic because that’s the only thing I bring there. And there is something about that plaque that needs to just come with me to work to give me inspiration and strength.
Dr. Carol:
She hangs out with us somehow. If you. As she said, I’ll just have to help Dr. McMakin from the other side. And so I have a feeling that this year the other side is a little more crowded than it was in years past with people elbowing to help us. So it’s good.
Kim Pittis:
We could always use the help.
Dr. Carol:
We. That. Inspiration, perspiration. All of those good things.
Kim Pittis:
And you know what? It’s funny because I had all these ideas for as I prepare for, I know everything and what I had lined up just didn’t seem to feel right because we were really troubleshooting last week. And I know everybody’s on pins and needles. If I had any breakthroughs, I know you had an idea in the middle of the night that you sent me, and I’m so grateful for that. A lot of people wrote me emails. I took two more swings at it, and then we had to have the come to Jesus conversation that she couldn’t come back anymore.
Dr. Carol:
Oh yeah, that’s an important conversation.
Kim Pittis:
So I wanted to talk about that because we go on these beautiful roller coasters of working with people and we get so inspired with FSM, and I think we have those moments like I think many professions and the more people I talk to about this, it’s not just an anomaly for FSM practitioners, but I think we do see it a lot where we go on these waves, and especially when you first get certified like you’re fixing everybody.
Dr. Carol:
Piece of cake.
Kim Pittis:
Everything is a piece of cake. And then all of the sudden that stops. And what I love talking to you and more seasoned practitioners than I is, that it happens to everybody because you start to really take it personally that you failed.
Dr. Carol:
What am I missing? Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
And so the word this week or the phrase is sometimes it’s just not enough. And that’s okay.
Dr. Carol:
Oh, yeah.
Kim Pittis:
You have to sometimes set a boundary that everything that you’re throwing at this is the best that you can do. And it’s not working.
Dr. Carol:
I have one patient that I actually lent him a CustomCare. He’s got mold exposure. And I lent him a converter. And when I see him in person he always feels better at the end of the session. And his anxiety is I asked him about it is what? What’s going on with you? I’m afraid I’m just never going to get over this.
Dr. Carol:
You create that what you focus on. You create that, what you fear and he hasn’t used the converter and CustomCare. I just had a spare at the clinic that I use in the clinic. I lent it to him. He’s been gone for a week, and he’s. There are times when you have to ask yourself, sometimes you can’t ask the patient, but it’s okay. What do you get out of this If you can’t get better, what’s in it for you? Because he won’t take. He’s got mold, right? He’s seeing the best mold guy in the country. Right. Who prescribed this stuff? You won’t take it. I’m afraid of the mold in my environment. I’m afraid of mold in the room. And I have to keep changing rooms and I get dizzy when I go into this room. I do that. And you understand that the problem with the mold is that it’s inside you. Yes. You get more symptoms when you’re in a moldy space but the mold is colonized inside. That’s why you’re supposed to take that pill. I’m afraid of the side effects. Okay. Then keep them all in your sinuses, and it’s in your gut. It’s colonized and your immune system can’t fight it off. We are part of I don’t know what the statistic is, 20% of the population that can’t fight off mold. Mold increases inflammation, which increases anxiety and depression. And so I, I get that with mold patients, they come in anxious and usually turning on their Vagus and using the frequencies for mold in the vagus mold. And the midbrain is enough to quiet that down for at least a while, for at least long enough that they recognize it. And he said, Maybe I can borrow it for another week and come back and see, you know, I’m leaving Monday for Two and a half weeks. So, no, just bring it back Friday. We’re done. And he’ll go on seeing other practitioners and not doing what they say. It’s that we have to meet them, I think where they come from.
Kim Pittis:
Wow. Say that again. We have to meet them where they come from.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah, they. They come to us in a certain mental and emotional state with a background of their personality. I never knew that a degree in psychology and counseling would come in so handy.
Kim Pittis:
You are always my go to with these patients that I see with chronic things because I’m a Fix-It guy and the athletic, athletic population wants to get fixed, I have to change my prescription because they’re going to do more than what I tell them. If I want them to do an exercise three times a day with eight reps, I have to tell them twice a day for four reps because they’re going to double everything. Thinking more is better.
Dr. Carol:
Exactly.
Kim Pittis:
So this has been a big journey and test and learning curve for me, dealing with patients who are resistant, oppositional defiant, sometimes.
Dr. Carol:
Oppositional defiant is a really good. I’ve read everything on the Internet, so I know more than you do. So I go.
Kim Pittis:
What I want to say then what?
Dr. Carol:
And that was my first prescription for him. The first or second day that he came was You may not look up anything on the internet for a month, so just no, don’t do that. And then there’s this lovely woman who has had two spine surgeries, fusions, one of which she didn’t need. But that’s another conversation. So she’s fuzed from T10 to S2, and she had a knee replacement and a knee revision on that leg. And the muscles and bursa around the knee were all we saw. The left leg, the left foot, I should show you this. They told her that she over pronated with your left foot. And so when she over pronated her second toe, curled over her big toe, and then her little toe did that because she over coronated. You look at her left foot and her talus is dislocated. It slid out to the side. And what are they? Why are you not wearing a brace or something? Yeah. They have me in one a gantlet that laces up that goes from my foot to halfway up my calf, and I just can’t wear it. It’s too uncomfortable and hard to put on. So I used my I don’t use a stretchy tape because I’m ignorant and don’t have time to take the stretchy tape class. But look on tape I know how to use. So I put her Talis back under. Her tibia. And taped it. Up across the side, put the house where it belonged and anchored it around the back.
Dr. Carol:
And that helped. And then the next day. And then treated the joint. And then the next day. The tower still wasn’t quite right. So I took the medial tallis down the lateral tower, so I took the tallis medial two lateral and shoved it and taped it under the tibia. Then I took the lateral chalice and grabbed it from the front and pulled it up and back so that it was actually anchored. She can walk on her left foot for the first time in 18 years. Yes. That she’s seen PTs and Otis. And you just have to let that go. Yeah, the mental part of it. She was ready. She had left elbow pain. They went in, she fell and landed on her elbow. And they took out the bursa because the bursa got inflamed and stuck to things. So I just heard it’s scarring in the nerve and scarring in the periosteum and inflammation in the periosteum in our left arm walks. And then her right arm had an opinion about what C7 was doing and a right arm works. And then we just did a CustomCare with low back pain and sets on it. And she was here for five days and she has hope. Susan said she told me before she left that she has hope for the first time in 18 years. But she’d already done the mental work.
Kim Pittis:
Right.
Dr. Carol:
Guy with M.S. and a wheelchair. He’s 53. He got it when he was 25. He’s done all the psychological and. And family of origin and being abused and in an abusive marriage and just as he says, not having a voice. And he’s done all the mental and emotional work. And last time I treated him first, three times they treated him. We worked on the myelin and the immune system and reducing inflammation. And each time his right hand grip strength went from just below five to up to 11, up to 19, up to 24 and the last time. Before last, he said, I want to work on my pineal gland and those Solfeggio frequencies and. Instead of a 440, it’s supposed to be a 432 or something. So I did what he said and his right hand grip strength went back down to five. And that didn’t work. But I did what he wanted. And so this time he said, let’s go back to what worked. I liked the numbers getting better. So yesterday we went from 4.8 to 11.8 working on the myelin for inflammation, necrosis, increased secretions, quieting the immune system, concussion and Vagus and on him. Because of the way he describes his meditation practice. I always run TTH and emotions. And so we got to 11.8.
Kim Pittis:
That’s fantastic. Talk about necrosis for a minute because that’s a weird one.
Dr. Carol:
True necrosis means Necro means dead.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. And we found out for necrosis. What do you do? Right. Is it dead? Yeah. When I first got what we. We thought was the myelopathy in my spinal cord that was making my lower extremities tight in my right hand as well as my left hand tight. Type 81 and ten always could loosen the lower extremities. And when I was working with Ben Katholi and Shirley Hartman to film that matrix episode. Ben was working on my neck. I was working on Shirley. Ben was working on me. And he said, I wonder what 54 would do. And 54 worked better than 81. So the descending motor pathways were not only not secreting, they weren’t secreting because they were dying. So maybe Necrosis is not dead, but headed there. So I’ll run necrosis and the cartilage. When we treat Alzheimer’s, we run necrosis in various parts of the cortex. Parkinson’s. Urine necrosis in the basal ganglia. And on this guy I run necrosis in. The myelin because he’s had M.S for almost 25 years.
Kim Pittis:
I think sometimes I get so excited because I feel like the words that we have on the laminate and yes, I use the body, but I use my laminates because I feel like the laminate is there for guided inspiration. The wonky numbers will just come flying off the page, pick me, and I’m like.
Dr. Carol:
What’s up with that?
Kim Pittis:
No. Yeah, you’re you don’t fit. But actually and then it’s almost like, like translating the word a little bit or seeing if the word could be interpreted in a different way. So like you said, with necrosis, right? Like I have this whole unit on the sports advanced course or the slide literally says Sako something because I don’t know if it’s Sarcomere sarcolemma or Sarcoplasmic because it’s indicated 46 works in all those different structures. How do you know something that is so magnitude, right? But it’s like the hypoxia frequency. That’s exactly how I started using it in frozen shoulder. It’s the same sort of thing. It’s not the person is not hypoxic, but the tissue isn’t getting adequate oxygen because it doesn’t have adequate blood supply.
Dr. Carol:
Phone so cool. It’s and then it either works. This is a cool part, then it either works or it doesn’t.
Kim Pittis:
Exactly. And I’m not saying every frozen shoulder needs to run hypoxia. But sometimes it really does work and no harm, no foul. It’s not going to make anything worse by doing a drive by on it to see if there’s some sort of tissue there that just needs a little extra stuff.
Dr. Carol:
A little extra whatever, aided in 7.4 does, which we have no data about.
Kim Pittis:
No other than just anecdotal evidence. When somebody can do 90 degrees and then 180 degrees and.
Dr. Carol:
When somebody with idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis feels lighter and this saturation goes from 87 to 93 for 24 hours. So that’s cool.
Kim Pittis:
Just like what we just said, I think it’s just in 10 seconds.
Dr. Carol:
And then I was telling these patients come from. She had cramps after an ankle fracture, the repair surgery, and then she walked around on that. And then they finally did an ankle replacement and she got CRP again. And so I was explaining where the frequencies came from and why it is. What little data that we have. Jay Shah is bringing himself to the Advanced symposium for a 90 minute lecture to I said, if you can do in 90 minutes what we usually give you 6 hours to do, it would be much appreciated. So he’s coming. And so explaining what the cytokine data shows, it’s the only data that we have. And of the frequencies that are on the list. We have no idea how somebody in 1920 decided the 396 hertz was the frequency for the nerve. But after using it, I don’t know, 30,000 times. Pretty sure that if you want to treat nerve, you’ve got to use 396 as tissue because nothing else works. And the fact that data is lost, that history is lost. So. It’s now that I’m cleaning out George’s house. I know how it was lost.
Dr. Carol:
There are books. That he gathered. That I don’t know what to do with. How do you. Because they don’t make any sense. They have. There’s a background. That I don’t know anything about. When you read a book that describes what a kitchen is. There’s this blue face on the countertop in the kitchen, next to the sink. First, you have to have a visual on what a blue vase is. You have to know what a kitchen is, and you have to know roughly where the sink usually is and what its function is in the kitchen. So that one little sentence. In that book. Has a lot of context that we bring to it just because we know what a kitchen and a vase and a sink are for. So you go back to a book on frequency medicine that was written in 19. One. For. And they describe these points on the abdomen that you tap and how this and that and the other thing. And it’s I don’t have the context. And is there anybody left alive that has the context that. So I’ll hang on to them. But then.
Kim Pittis:
They sounded magical, like, I won’t see.
Dr. Carol:
Them. They’re incomprehensible. And no, I’m not going to bring them because I’m already bringing PrecisionCare is in the second suitcase.
Kim Pittis:
Just take pictures of.
Dr. Carol:
Them for me. Okay. Well, it’s. So fun.
Kim Pittis:
I know. And I know so many of people who come to the sports course, especially like the sports guy is a trainer. Guys, the science guys, they want the history. They want the data. How do we know 124 is this and how do we know? And that used to be like the anxiety question that I would get. And now I’m like, I’m so over it that I’m like, You believe it or you don’t. And I trust me, after day one, you’re going to believe it. You’re not even going to care where 124 came from because.
Dr. Carol:
It works is.
Kim Pittis:
It works.
Dr. Carol:
So one thing and that’s all that it does. Yeah. And. You recognize when a tissue is torn and broken? Because. So this lady with the knee replacement. Yeah. The place that she was saw was along the FL on the lateral side of the knee under the kneecap. Let’s not nerf. It could be scarring on the nerve. When you look at what they do when they do a knee replacement, I don’t watch. I wonder. So there’s that little bird on your shoulder says I wonder. Right. Just did the tendon get torn and broken? So I set up one machine from my low back to just blow her kneecap and run. 124 and 77 and 60 minutes later. She doesn’t have any pain there anymore. How do you know that 124 does what it’s supposed to do after use it 10,000 times? It always does the same thing, and that’s all that it does. So pretty sure that it works. Fragile frequencies? Not. No. I know there are a lot of believers, but.
Kim Pittis:
I’ll use them once in a while. Again, in the background. I don’t use it to ever treat anything. It’s never mind it for pain reduction or scar tissue elimination. But sometimes, maybe like I just don’t have enough mileage with it or I don’t have enough, like great experiences to be in love with them yet. And I say because I have a growth mindset.
Dr. Carol:
Just kind of, you know, maybe they prepare. The patients field for.
Kim Pittis:
Yes. And I’ve had good success with I can’t I don’t know them all, but it was one of them that I used almost as a prep for scar tissue. And they do think it prepared it or cleared something out of the way for like my go to guys to go in there.
Dr. Carol:
No. But when we’re getting ready, I’m getting ready to do a slide show, which I won’t do until between the Core and the Advanced. For George’s memorial, it’s. What did I learn from George Douglas? What changed in how we think about how the body works? This whole concept of Did you hear what we just said?
Kim Pittis:
No, I know, right?
Dr. Carol:
Preparing the field for what comes next. Who thinks that way in medicine?
Kim Pittis:
Certainly not me.
Dr. Carol:
Where did we learn to think that way? But. I. I’m waiting for inspiration to put that on a ten slide.
Kim Pittis:
It’ll come to you.
Dr. Carol:
It’ll come. And always does.
Kim Pittis:
Which does add to interesting talking points today.
Dr. Carol:
One is.
Kim Pittis:
One is fashion. And as people may or may not know, I’ve been a huge fashion geek in the past year especially, and I think a lot of us in manual therapy are inundated with these different types of theories, whether it’s the biotin model or whatever. I think you have to be open to the possibility that fashion is more than the Saran wrap that covers muscle. The stuff that we used to cut away in our gross anatomy labs like that, that we used to just snip it away to get at the good stuff. And I think we as practitioners have a deeper respect for what fashion does. So we all know that fashion moves in this web and it’s beautiful. And we’ve worked a lot with increasing the secretions to the fascia, which we contribute to increasing the ground substance. So I had a patient that I thought for sure, because I’m taking all this new fashioned line training, not just about how the fascia is used for mobility, but the newer theories are that fascia is in fact innervated and is innervated at a speed of 700 miles per impulse, as opposed to brain muscle connection, which is 175 miles per impulse.
Dr. Carol:
And what? The fact that fashion’s innovated is a new concept.
Kim Pittis:
To many people.
Dr. Carol:
Och Och, I’m having. All right. They’re fine, but of course it’s enervated. Thank you.
Kim Pittis:
Innovated in a way that it can move levers. How about that?
Dr. Carol:
You think? Sorry.
Kim Pittis:
I am telling you there. At least we’re having more and more data to support what we’ve all always known.
Dr. Carol:
To support what is freakin obvious to the casual observer. So. And the way. How do we. How do I get so cheeky about this when there are experts that are saying, look what we just found out And my. I’m a clinical researcher. Thank you. And I have this tool that only works when you do the right thing. So I’d say back in 1998, 99, if you wanted the fashion to let go, you had to release the scarring between the nerve and the FAFSA. That would only be necessary if the FAFSA was innovated. Right. Okay. I rest my case. Continue. I’ll come down. Really? I’ll be good, though.
Kim Pittis:
Come with me on a different path for a minute.
Dr. Carol:
Okay. Go.
Kim Pittis:
As a strength coach, we would never think we would need to train the fashion.
Dr. Carol:
Fair enough.
Kim Pittis:
So we’ll start in this building BLOCK right. If we wanted somebody to be stronger. We talked about neuro recruitment, we talked about hypertrophy, we talked about all these things. But all these things had to do with brain nerve muscle. That was it.
Dr. Carol:
As long as the fashion goes along with the gag. So.
Kim Pittis:
Our dear friend Charles Poliquin did most amazing research in the nineties, I believe, and don’t quote me on this and it was about hamstring hypertrophy and these gentlemen could only have limitations with how much hamstring hypertrophy they could get because of the fascia limitations. So the fascia was like constricting the muscle from growing. And if the fascia wasn’t pliable, the hypertrophy stopped regardless of how much overload there was. It’s fascinating. So I think about this all the time. Anyways, I had this patient. I thought for sure she just needed increasing the secretions to the fashion. It felt like that was. The modus operandi at that moment because I had done everything else 81 and 142 made everything worse.
Dr. Carol:
Trump.
Kim Pittis:
In a split second.
Dr. Carol:
What did she have originally?
Kim Pittis:
A lot.
Dr. Carol:
Okay.
Kim Pittis:
But in that moment, we were treating neck anterior scalenes.
Dr. Carol:
Oh, yeah.
Kim Pittis:
Unremarkable imaging?
Dr. Carol:
No. 85, 81 and 142 would make it worse if 124 on 100 is what she needed.
Kim Pittis:
I did what? I did that because I thought right away about laxity in the neck.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. Okay. That was my.
Kim Pittis:
Why? After getting the pain down range of motion, doing muscle setting exercises, we needed to use the secretions in the fascia because I said all this training that I’m doing, we’re showing that fascia is innervated in a way that can create strength. If you’re treating the fascial lines properly, made everything worse.
Dr. Carol:
Please tell me you figured out why. Because now.
Kim Pittis:
So when 81 and anything makes something worse, I just think the antidote has to be 40.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
So without even thinking, I went from 81 to 40 inches all. It’s better.
Dr. Carol:
Huh?
Kim Pittis:
Can I say? That’s a good face. So thank goodness doing a supine cervical. They don’t see you because I’m just like. What just.
Dr. Carol:
Happened? It’s crazy.
Kim Pittis:
So the only thing I can think of is if the fashion is integrated in a way that we don’t yet fully understand. So like I said, we’re talking about impulses traveling 700 miles per hour versus 175 miles per hour. If we’re increasing the secretions in this way that has more of a neural innovation component, it could be too much too soon.
Dr. Carol:
My say that again.
Kim Pittis:
It could be too much. If we’re thinking of if the fascia is integrated in a way that can help motor control and can help increase the stability and the strength of a structure. On a sensitive patient that had maybe literature, laxity, that had something that was torn and broke in 81 and 142 was too much. Set everything off right 40 takes everything down. So my happy place was 49 142 because I still firmly believed we needed to treat the fashion. The fashion was like, if something worse and then I could make it better. I have to think that there’s still something involved in the middle.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
So and I had tried 124 and 77 and 177. When I treat the ligament for 124, I always treat the connective tissue in the fascia. I just take those three of them together. Right. So 49 and 142, she could have just levitated right out of my clinic. That feels amazing. Put it on her custom care 49 and 142 has been the only thing in three years that keeps the pain down.
Dr. Carol:
As a single.
Kim Pittis:
Just let it run for 40 minutes once a day.
Dr. Carol:
Okay, fine.
Kim Pittis:
So I have these conversations where I’m a total failure and nothing’s enough, and then I have these breakthrough moments, and that’s life as an FSM practitioner.
Dr. Carol:
It’s a teaching experience moment, right?
Kim Pittis:
Remember like when we had Ben Katholi on and Dave Burke and it was Ben that was talking about using 49 sometimes instead of 81 and circumstance. And so he came to visit me or the sentence that he said on that podcast.
Dr. Carol:
Floated into.
Kim Pittis:
The clinic and jumped in my brain was like, maybe 49 is the way to go. And I don’t know why. But you don’t know then.
Dr. Carol:
Okay, that’s. Note to self. Oh, I’m so excited about Ben and Dave, and.
Kim Pittis:
We’re so excited we have this little, little. We have you on a chat, and then the three of us have a little chat, and it’s just. I can’t wait.
Dr. Carol:
It’s going to be fun. Yeah, it’s. Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
Do we have any questions before we go too far here? I’m just trying to say. Loriene. Loriene. It’s a pretty name in the hip hop protocol. Day four to week three. Is there any reason not to increase the 124 hours to more than 4 minutes?
Dr. Carol:
No. You can put 124. Sometimes 30 minutes is just a matter of how long the patient will sit there and run it.
Kim Pittis:
Right?
Dr. Carol:
Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
Leif is freaking out. Do not throw out the books.
Dr. Carol:
No. I’ll send it to you. I’ll find a way to get them to you. Because I’m typing the reply, which is Leif.
Kim Pittis:
Are you coming to the Advanced? I feel like we know each other and I just want to meet you in person.
Dr. Carol:
Are you coming? It’ll be fun.
Kim Pittis:
Maddie wrote, I watched a cool interview with Andrew Friedman. I do love Andrew Haberman. That ad opposes innovated to as everybody.
Dr. Carol:
Okay, there’s. Can I get? Do I get to sit? I don’t know who Andrew Huberman is, but of course is Innervated.
Kim Pittis:
Is a fantastic podcast. He’s a Stanford neuro neuroscientist, I believe.
Dr. Carol:
Another neuro geek.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah, he’s pretty good. He may be something else. I want to say neuroscientist.
Dr. Carol:
He’s got some pretty things innervated. If nothing else, the vagus innervates the blood supply that in. The omentum is the adipose. That’s in the belly. And so. Of course, it’s innovated. And the amazing thing to me. Tom Meyers. Who is it? Oh. Oh, okay. Why don’t I know him? He’s all over the place. Oh, I don’t get that.
Kim Pittis:
Is Kevin. You’re right?
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. Yes. Where was I? Oh, Tom Myers. I was about to throw 3 off the list because I couldn’t find anything. It was good for three sclerosis. And Tom pipes up and says adipose sclerosis. It doesn’t scar. Really? And. Three is only good for Adipose, doesn’t do anything in any other tissue. And somebody said, What? Sclerosis? And I said, Sclerosis is what goes away when you run three. Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
I’ve tried three in 142 with the fashion because I thought that could maybe work too. And you’re right, it doesn’t work.
Dr. Carol:
No, it was about to, like, seriously, it was about to go away because who would have thought? Adipose sclerosis, telomeres.
Kim Pittis:
And you got to believe him. And then? Then it works.
Dr. Carol:
It’s amazing. It’s and in the strangest places, the belly and underneath wounds. So you have a buddy prime or his biceps weightlifting and it rolled up and he had this big divot that’s a good face. He had this big divot. And when I treated the scar tissue, I got to a place where the subcutaneous fat was scarred down to the bone and treated sclerosis in the adipose. And that took care of that.
Kim Pittis:
Do you know where else? It’s phenomenal that you would never think. In the posterior compartment of the leg.
Dr. Carol:
Oh, really?
Kim Pittis:
Listen to this. I had to Google this couple of years ago because I couldn’t figure it out. I had a patient who had massive adhesions between like Soleus and Gastrox was a marathon runner. Nothing was working. And you know that adipose adhesions, they’re like super painful and hard and prickly and bright. And when you’re doing manual therapy on them and I’m like, That’s adipose. That’s not muscle, that’s not fascia. And this guy was freaking lean, so you wouldn’t even think about Adipose as their man. 397 melts. I probably get like an extra ten degrees of dorsiflexion because the posterior compartment was so tight. So then I started googling Adipose in the posterior compartment and there is this research article actually have it in the sports course because people don’t believe me unless I put this article up that proved it. There is a study that these researchers did and they were trying to calculate intramuscular adipose tissue. It’s called impact Gastrox. Nine times out of ten had the highest amount of this intramuscular adipose tissue. Unreal because I think of Gastrox as this, like fast twitch, super lean, sexy muscle that’s.
Dr. Carol:
Let’s connective tissue. It’s like the you take the Achilles and it goes halfway. Okay.
Kim Pittis:
No, it is there. There is data and it’s interlaced in the muscle fibers. It’s beautifully done and illustrated on the side. You can see it microscopically. It’s gorgeous.
Dr. Carol:
Why is it there? I don’t know.
Kim Pittis:
I just believe that it’s there and I know that it works so.
Dr. Carol:
That I believe them. But everything has a purpose. So if you were the body, why would you make the gas truck?
Kim Pittis:
My hypothesis is that you’re right, it’s connective tissue and we think about how it forms onto the Achilles. Perhaps it’s providing elasticity. Perhaps it’s providing what.
Dr. Carol:
Provides sliding this.
Kim Pittis:
So the only thing I could think of. Right. Like why oppose is helpful?
Dr. Carol:
Fair enough. That’s cool. I know. Nifty.
Kim Pittis:
Who would have thought? But yeah, so let’s think about let’s never forget adipose tissue because it is everywhere.
Dr. Carol:
Okay? Yeah, it’s. Yeah. Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
I have another head scratcher for you. I’m going to have to pull up the email because this is a patient that I love and she listens to the podcast, so she’s giving me permission to talk about her case. I’ve asked you about her in the past. She’s a tricky one, my little friend. I’ll summarize really quickly. Ehlers-danlos and Cass mold. Sibo Yeah, that’s good.
Dr. Carol:
Go together. Yes. Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
But sometimes I feel like we’re never addressing things for too long before something else gets out of balance. And I know you always say mix is easy.
Dr. Carol:
But s is temporary. But the Ehlers-Danlos is temporary, and that leads to the Vagus getting turned down, and that leads to mix. And then mold just complicates everything. Right.
Kim Pittis:
So I have made a beautiful MB Cass protocol for her. She has a protocol. She has concussion in Vegas. We’ve interplay Solfeggio seems to work a little bit. We made an emotional support when I have her torn connective tissue lines. Of course she has her Ehlers-Danlos one. She has mold, kidney support, adrenal support, GI histamine, EMF program. There’s only so much, so many programs a day you can run. So I’d like.
Dr. Carol:
To have a converter, One long one that runs at night. Yeah, but still.
Kim Pittis:
Like we we’ve made a lot of progress, especially in the dust, which is very cool. But now she has a lot of like gassy, like belching. It’s like upper. Gi stuff that seems to be exacerbating all the other symptoms. I did add gas in the small intestine and it helped quite a bit before things got a bit worse. So this is a case where we have so many tools and you feel like you have so much. But maybe it’s the structure, maybe it’s the organization, maybe it’s the frequency. I don’t know. What do you think?
Dr. Carol:
It’s only upward, not.
Kim Pittis:
Downward, Right? It’s a belching and some burping type of gas.
Dr. Carol:
See, that makes me think. Of too much acid. Which makes me think of the one patient that I just got off the phone with before the podcast. The only patient I had to run quiet the Vagus on because his resting pulse was 49. And he has a medical diagnosis of Malaysia burping belching. Can’t. Pretty much can’t eat because anything he eats turns into gas and belching and that goes on for hours. Drives me crazy and. Around 40 and 109. Quiet the Vagus. And that. And did a physical exam. Yeah. And he had a23 disc, The vagus nerve. Maybe it was two, three, three, four. Vagus nerve comes right down next to it. And I treated the disc. Quieted the vagus. Did the supine cervical and his Appalachia went away for four days.
Kim Pittis:
Okay, I’m going to try it. Coming in tomorrow.
Dr. Carol:
But then if she’s got Ehlers-Danlos. What? That. Usually turns the Vagus down.
Kim Pittis:
So that’s when we’ve been putting concussion and Vagus in there as much as we have.
Dr. Carol:
The only other thing with Ehlers-Danlos that has turned out to be a. Surprise is the number of them that have tethered cord are. So I’ve done that trunk range of motion. And the Vagus isn’t intradermal. So that’s not going to be a piece of it, and I have no idea how it’s related, but maybe can’t hurt. Well, at least to look at it.
Kim Pittis:
I want to say I did that like way back when, in the beginning, when I first started seeing her. But maybe it’s worth re a recheck because sometimes we forget about that stuff, right? Like we find all these other layers and we forget about the basic things that we started with that helped, and especially with patients. That have all these interlocking pieces. Mold em cast Ehlers-Danlos, the cibo, the Vagus, the emotional stuff. It’s just.
Dr. Carol:
There’s.
Kim Pittis:
And you get excited because you’re like, Oh, I have frequency for that. I have a frequency for that. I can help with that. And so there’s only so many hours in a day.
Dr. Carol:
I have one Ehlers-Danlos patient. We treated a fair Ehlers-Danlos one time. Range of motions completely normal for months down the road. The tethered cord comes back every two weeks. And she has an empty cellar. She’s missing her face anterior pituitary, and she can’t find an endocrinologist that will measure her regulatory hormones and peripheral hormones. Outside my lane. Yeah. I don’t know where to send or to. It’s just it’s really frustrating. So sometimes the visits are like, pucker up, She gets a little bit stoned and then she starts talking and I just sit there with my mouth open. It didn’t they? What? They what? How could.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
Okay.
Kim Pittis:
So before we move on to the third thing, Thad wrote something very interesting. Significant amounts of body adipose, adipose, adipose tissue is located adjacent to potential energy aids. Gastric may need a lot of energy When you have a sudden need to run or when you’re a marathon runner and that’s all you’re doing is running.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah. You do a lot of towing off and. All of that.
Kim Pittis:
He would do. Know people have heard of Sky races. So you’re not just running a marathon. You’re running a marathon on top of the highest altitude that you can. And you’re just running on top of the mountain and doing the ultra marathon way up there.
Dr. Carol:
Yikes. Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
Because when you do marathons and then you do trail running, I guess that’s the next progression and the. Challenge. Bucket.
Dr. Carol:
Okay.
Kim Pittis:
I am running a half marathon on March 5th.
Dr. Carol:
Yay!
Kim Pittis:
I love the half marathon distance because it’s not too much, but it’s long enough. So on Monday I ran 15 miles because a half marathon is 13.1. So I’m in the part of the training where I’m running way more than I’m supposed to. So 13.1 is going to be a piece of cake. And I felt my knee starting to get grumpy. At about mile nine mile nine and a 15 mile run is a bad time for your knee to start.
Dr. Carol:
Expressing an opinion.
Kim Pittis:
Yes. And do you know what I thought? Instead of my knees grumpy, all I could think of is numbers are coming to me. So instead of thinking, is it the tibial plateau? Is it the meniscus? I’m thinking, Oh, when I get home I have to run. 124 and 77 124 In meniscus, I’m thinking of exactly what I needed to run. And I did have the common sense to bring home my PrecisionCare and some stickies and I hooked myself up and I know I would have been feeling it the next day, woke up totally free.
Dr. Carol:
And the first thing that occurs to me is you need a new pair of shoes. With media posting.
Kim Pittis:
I am in love with my running shoes, but I’m open to suggestions. I want this running store. A couple of months ago. They did the 3D printing and they bring you all these shoes and they tell you exactly what you need. They do this very integrative, biomechanical scan. They let you take the shoes and go for a run and come back and take another pair of shoes and go for a run and come back. I didn’t like any of them.
Dr. Carol:
Oh.
Kim Pittis:
I love my own shoes. So anyways, that’s neither here nor there.
Dr. Carol:
Is the enemy to a medial meniscus.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah.
Dr. Carol:
It’s just. It’s this thing.
Kim Pittis:
Yeah. Although I felt that on the lateral. The lateral.
Dr. Carol:
Horn. Yeah. Wow. Okay, we’ll figure it out.
Kim Pittis:
I will. And when I think of anything on the lateral knee, I want to go back to this band to FL stuff, and I just have to vent for a second because. Just like you were. Like everybody knows the fashion is innervated. I need to make sure everybody realizes that the i t track the Ilium tibial band is non contractile folks. The i t band cannot contract. It is a band of fibrous connective tissue that just sits there and is controlled by little Napoleon, which is what we call TFL teeny muscle.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah, like a minnow. Only bigger.
Kim Pittis:
So people, please don’t. Treat the flu like it’s a vascularized contractile piece of connective tissue. Don’t roll it, don’t thump it, don’t smash it. Don’t treat it like the delicate piece of non contractile tissue that it is. That’s all I have to say.
Dr. Carol:
True story. And when you look at the top end. And the nerve root lits that come through it. It has got to be the most innervated stretch of connective tissue anyplace.
Kim Pittis:
Right.
Dr. Carol:
Except maybe the thoraco limbo fashion. There’s if you look at it, there’s little teeny nerve root that’s coming out and the band rolling on. It makes me chronically ill.
Kim Pittis:
And people roll that thoraco lumbar fashion, too. And they’re like, It really hurts. And I’m like.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah, it does do it.
Kim Pittis:
And you’re bursting the little vessels that are underneath it, and then they’re getting trapped. So you’ve got bleeding underneath the fascia that is non contractile and it gets stuck. And what do you think happens after it bleeds, it scars. So you’re just creating more and more scar tissue getting so worked up today.
Dr. Carol:
Apologize.
Kim Pittis:
Those are the trigger words.
Dr. Carol:
For the top orthopedic consultant to Nike. The shoes are only designed for 300 to 500 miles of use, along with the cushion needing to come back to their normal state.
Kim Pittis:
So Alph. So this is funny because I am a Nike geek. This is the only shoe that I run in and that I use the Nike and part of the Nike running club app. So I track all my runs, so my app tells me when my shoes are done.
Dr. Carol:
Oh.
Kim Pittis:
And that’s why I love Nike and I love my shoes so much. Lots of moments today. Yes.
Dr. Carol:
Yes. So moments like it makes us feel like the cool kids.
Kim Pittis:
Sometimes we.
Dr. Carol:
Are.
Kim Pittis:
And being a cool kid, we’re going to be able to do the podcast side by side at the events very soon.
Dr. Carol:
I can’t believe it. What are we going to do next? What are we going to do next week? We’re going to be in the ballroom with No. Whats on the Sentinel. Last year we were in the ballroom as you guys were setting up. Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
I’m not there next week.
Dr. Carol:
Oh. Not next week. Oh, next week. Next year. Oh no. The weekend after the week after that.
Kim Pittis:
We’re doing a new podcast next week.
Dr. Carol:
Oh. Next week we’ll be at the first day of the first day of the Core at 3:00.
Kim Pittis:
So you will be busy.
Dr. Carol:
Take an hour out. So who are you going to have on the first day of the quarter? 3:00 in the afternoon.
Kim Pittis:
Or we take a pause for a week.
Dr. Carol:
We could take a pause for a week. I don’t know.
Kim Pittis:
We could invite everybody to watch a webinar on Ehlers-Danlos that you did, or the Vagus webinar, maybe as it’s a very busy week for myself because I’m also getting ready for the sports courses and the sports events course.
Dr. Carol:
Yeah.
Kim Pittis:
And I’m actually going to be coming directly from Vegas because my daughter is playing a hockey final in Vegas, so I get to take her to her hockey game and then bring all my stuff with me to Vegas and then Vegas stickers on it.
Dr. Carol:
Okay, then it’s fine. Okay. So we’re going to take next one day off. Or Kevin can control something. Kevin can put something in the feed and play rerun. Sure. Popular ones. Some of them have got like 1200 hits or something. Yes. Sure, Scott. Yeah. So he can do that. Stay tuned. It’ll be a surprise.
Kim Pittis:
Yes.
Dr. Carol:
Hey.
Kim Pittis:
So my quote is a weird one. It is a hybrid or not a hybrid. It is a interpretation of something that Marcus Aurelius said.
Dr. Carol:
Well.
Kim Pittis:
There is some stuff on stoicism lately because it. It’s, I think, very helpful to have an intent. So I have this book and it’s 350, 465 days of meditation from the Stoics, and then they give a little interpretation of it, some stuff about stoicism.
Dr. Carol:
And it’s. Yeah. I have a minor in philosophy and a minor in theology just taking the required courses at a Jesuit university. So there’s that. And what I can tell practitioners who are listening is beware of stoics. So they have a happy face. A neutral face. They tell you their pain is a five. You look at their pain diagram. You look at their imaging. You look at their history. You played football and lacrosse and then you did marathons or half marathons in your twenties and now you’re in your forties and you have this and that and the other thing. So. As an athlete, you have to be something of a stoic or you’re not an athlete, right? So the thing that practitioners need to know. Is. And you don’t bus you don’t tell the patient this because they need to be left in their own little fantasy world that my pain is only a four. Right? And you look at everything and you look at the physical exam where they have hyperactive reflexes. They have reflexes that are missing. One of the babinski is equivocal. The other one is down going right. And in your heart of hearts and in your clinical mind, you know that their pain is someplace between a six and a seven. You run the pinwheel around C six and their arm breaks into a sweat. Their pain is seven.
Kim Pittis:
Right?
Dr. Carol:
And that is the risk in treating stoics.
Kim Pittis:
Right.
Dr. Carol:
Is not only are there extraordinarily suppressing pain. They’re really good at it. Yeah. When you make their pain, go from a seven to what is now really a four. They may not recognize it because there were so good at suppressing it. We haven’t really done anything. The thing that was icky is now normal. Oh, yeah, I remember that. So it’s stoicism has its uses and the stoic philosophy is. Useful at times?
Kim Pittis:
Yes, at times for sure. I am a little firecracker. I’m very reactive, so I find sprinkling in the little stoicism helps me like just channel stuff sometimes and set the intention for the day. I still go off the rails, but that’s okay. I come back to the middle again. So the little matter that I have and I have given this to my teenagers in their team says I have the power to keep that out. I know the.
Dr. Carol:
Truth. Oh, I like that.
Kim Pittis:
And I think it’s very applicable for patients. I know it’s that is help me talking with skeptics right. Of FSM. So we talked we started the podcast about it. We know what it does. We’ve seen it, we know it works and we know the truth.
Dr. Carol:
And the nice thing is it’s one of the most wonderful things to do to a skeptic, because part of the reason that people are skeptics. And is ego. Yeah. It’s a power position. It’s a let me put you down position because I don’t believe in what you’re doing. And one of the high points of my life was sitting there with my hands on a patient’s knee or whatever. Was. Fortunately for me, your belief has absolutely no effect of my. Absolutely no influence on my effectiveness. Whether or not this works and it just it’s true. So that’s the reverse power position. It’s like you and the other one is joining them. It’s. I don’t blame you Half the time I’m doing things. I’m doing things that even I don’t believe. Yes, what I just did is impossible in any world. And I can do it. 9997 times out of 10,000. Yeah. So go ahead and explain that to me. One of the placebo effect is only good for 30%. So there it is. That’s the FSM version of.
Kim Pittis:
Yes, It’s still as stoic as I try to become. The enemy is still doing that.
Dr. Carol:
I’m Italian. It’s just it’s not my genes to be stoic.
Kim Pittis:
No. But I’m open to trying things.
Dr. Carol:
Say your quote again. I love your quotes.
Kim Pittis:
I have the power to keep that out. I know.
Dr. Carol:
The truth. Yep. Always in order.
Kim Pittis:
All right. We will not see you next week, but I will see you shortly in person.
Dr. Carol:
So excited. I’m going to.
Kim Pittis:
Miss everybody on the next Wednesday. Live together.
Dr. Carol:
We found. Yeah, but can we find a way of doing kind of a podcast during one of the practicums at 330?
Kim Pittis:
I can join you.
Dr. Carol:
If we go from 3:00 in Phenix. So we usually take a break between three and 330 and start a practicum at 330. Is that correct? Here’s a break at 330. That could be. Well, let’s talk.
Kim Pittis:
We’ll figure something out so people there will be something for you next Wednesday.
Dr. Carol:
I’m addicted to this. We’ll have to figure it out. Okay. We will have a great week to see you. See you. Bye bye. By Maddy. By everybody.
Kevin:
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